I-L621, a paleobalkanic haplogroup?

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What part of Albania are you from?

Near montenegro border, north west albania.

[Dick]

What part of Albania are you from?

His paternal ancestor was a montenegrin serb.

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The fucking coping is too hard in this thread.

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I remember that wasn't completely the case when "Albos are Dacians" thread was hot.
Even he mentioned different possibilities:
“I wish I knew more about where the Goths truly originated. But if they began in what today is called Pommerania or
Prussia, then the I2a2a-Dinaric might be their heritage”.
(this is from cca. 2013, when nomenclature was slightly different).

Troll thread, I didn't even present anything serious in there because I don't take stuff seriously.

Dacian theory is too far-fetched, but even less so than the Gothic theory of yours. Had you scored something else than I2a1b-Din, you would cope with that one too.

[Voskos]

south slavs themselves are way more LBK-like than pure slavs like Poles, something that probably correlates with their high I2a/R1a ratio.

[cosmoo]

Troll thread, I didn't even present anything serious in there because I don't take stuff seriously.

Dacian theory is too far-fetched, but even less so than the Gothic theory of yours. Had you scored something else than I2a1b-Din, you would cope with that one too.

Your whole argumentation is basically "SHIT FAKE COPE LEL KIDDO".
I have never said that I know with utter certainity that I2a1b Din came with Goths, I just said they are most probable original bearers of it IMO. What I know for sure, though, is that it belonged to some Germanic-speaking tribe before Slavicization. If you disagree with that, you are free to offer alternative explanation (which you haven't done).
Ancient I2a1b was found among northern hunter-gatherers, and older clades of Dinaric, "Isles" and "Disles" (Din split from Disles) are found predominantly in NW Europe today, so it's pretty clear it came to eastern Europe from northwestern direction. It is pretty clear that it was Germanic speaking before it got Slavicized (or would you argue it belonged to some super-remote Mesolithic tribe that somehow arrived to eastern Europe while managing to avoid getting Indoeuropeanized all along their journey?).
Only question is when did it get Slavicized. There are several opinions, that it became Slavic: 1. during Slav ethnogenesis itself; 2. after it (but still in northern Slavic lands); 3. one part that remained in north got Slavicized, and the other one that was on Balkans also, but after arrival of Slavs here.
I support third option, and I have already explained my stance many times (primary reason being unequal distribution of I2a1b and R1a in Yugoslavia). Leaders of Serbian DNA project "Poreklo" support something between first and second option, suggesting Bastarnae as its original bearers.

"Coping"? Stop spewing shit all around. I'm trying to deduce its origins as objectively as possible. I would have nothing against its Slavic origin, in fact, our official history supports thesis that we descend from Elbe Slavs that came here during 6th/7th century (based, among other things, on almost 1000 identical toponyms), but I fail to see genetic confirmation for that.

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Your whole argumentation is basically "SHIT FAKE COPE LEL KIDDO".
I have never said that I know with utter certainity that I2a1b Din came with Goths, I just said they are most probable original bearers of it IMO. What I know for sure, though, is that it belonged to some Germanic-speaking tribe before Slavicization. If you disagree with that, you are free to offer alternative explanation (which you haven't done).
Ancient I2a1b was found among northern hunter-gatherers, and older clades of Dinaric, "Isles" and "Disles" (Din split from Disles) are found predominantly in NW Europe today, so it's pretty clear it came to eastern Europe from northwestern direction. It is pretty clear that it was Germanic speaking before it got Slavicized (or would you argue it belonged to some super-remote Mesolithic tribe that somehow arrived to eastern Europe while managing to avoid getting Indoeuropeanized all along their journey?).
Only question is when did it get Slavicized. There are several opinions, that it became Slavic: 1. during Slav ethnogenesis itself; 2. after it (but still in northern Slavic lands); 3. one part that remained in north got Slavicized, and the other one that was on Balkans also, but after arrival of Slavs here.
I support third option, and I have already explained my stance many times (primary reason being unequal distribution of I2a1b and R1a in Yugoslavia). Leaders of Serbian DNA project "Poreklo" support something between first and second option, suggesting Bastarnae as its original bearers.

"Coping"? Stop spewing shit all around. I'm trying to deduce its origins as objectively as possible. I would have nothing against its Slavic origin, in fact, our official history supports thesis that we descend from Elbe Slavs that came here during 6th/7th century (based, among other things, on almost 1000 identical toponyms), but I fail to see genetic confirmation for that.

Are you not 18 soon? It's time for military training, not this sperging pile of shit.

Friendly advice.

[cosmoo]

Are you not 18 soon? It's time for military training, not this sperging pile of shit.

Friendly advice.

Is this what you always do when you're unable to lead an argumented discussion?

Are you not 30 soon? It's time to wake up, not to leech welfare while playing games all day long.

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Is this what you always do when you're unable to lead an argumented discussion?

Are you not 30 soon? It's time to wake up, not to leech welfare while playing games all day long.

I work, fuck, play games and post on TA, can't ask for more right now.

You really need to start focusing on other aspects except haplosperging, otherwise you'll be stuck at it for years to come.

[cosmoo]

I work, fuck, play games and post on TA, can't ask for more right now.

You really need to start focusing on other aspects except haplosperging, otherwise you'll be stuck at it for years to come.

Calling me a haplotard tells more about yourself than you think, i.e. trying to start bickering on personal level shows me that you have failed to prove your point and present valid arguments in original discussion.
Case over. You lost.