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Thread: I-L621, a paleobalkanic haplogroup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    True it is speculation but the fact that it is a Slavic marker isn't speculation
    Most likely. But we'd need ancient Eastern and Southeastern European samples to know for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skerdilaid View Post
    Arkan was I2a Dinaric (a true baby killer coward)
    Was he really??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drawing-slim View Post
    Was he really??
    Yeah looks like he was, I am related to a Raznatovic at 23andme who is I2a. His family are with origin from Cetinje, Montenegro.

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    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresultsPage 3
    GÜLER is me in this page.I join the Ftdna I2a project group.I am waiting Snp pack results.Probably,There weeks later,I will learn my maternal Y-Dna and Paternal Y-dna Snp results.

    Y-DNA - Haplogroup Origins

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    Haplogroup Country Comment Count
    I-A1328 Russian Federation - 1
    I-A5874 Austria - 1
    I-CTS10228 - 1
    I-CTS10228 Russian Federation - 1
    I-M423 Poland - 2
    I-M423 Ukraine - 1
    I-P37 Lithuania - 1
    I-P37 Ukraine - 1
    I-Y13498 Ukraine - 1
    I-Y3548 Slovakia - 1
    GENETIC DISTANCE - 1
    Haplogroup Country Comment Count
    I-A10959 Greece - 1
    I-A11523 Belarus - 1
    I-A11523 Lithuania - 1
    I-A1221 Albania - 1
    I-A1221 Moldova - 1
    I-A2512 Greece - 1
    I-A811 Russian Federation - 2
    I-A815 Hungary - 1
    I-CTS10228 Bulgaria - 1
    I-CTS10228 Serbia - 1
    I-CTS10228 Syrian Arab Republic - 1
    I-L621 Belarus - 1
    I-M423 Austria - 1
    I-M423 Bosnia and Herzegovina - 1
    I-M423 Germany - 2
    I-M423 Italy - 1
    I-M423 Russian Federation - 1
    I-P37 Lithuania - 1
    I-P37 Russian Federation - 1
    I-S17250 Belarus - 1
    I-S17250 Hungary - 1
    I-S17250 Macedonia - 1
    I-S17250 Poland - 1
    I-S8201 Belarus - 1
    I-Y13498 Poland - 2
    I-Y3118 Russian Federation - 1
    I-Y3548 Bosnia and Herzegovina - 1
    I-Y4460 Belarus - 1
    I-Y4460 Bulgaria - 1
    I-Y4460 Poland - 1
    I-Y4460 Russian Federation - 1
    I-Y4460 Sweden - 1
    I-Y4460 Ukraine - 2
    I-Y4882 Ukraine - 2
    I-Z16971 Poland - 1
    I-Z17855 Bulgaria - 2
    I-Z17855 Hungary - 1
    I-Z17855 Macedonia - 1

    25 Marker

    GENETIC DISTANCE - 2
    Haplogroup Country Comment Count
    I-CTS10228 - 1
    I-CTS10228 Bulgaria - 1
    I-M423 Poland - 1
    I-M423 Ukraine - 1
    I-Y4460 Belarus - 1
    I-Y4460 Bulgaria - 1



    37 Marker

    GENETIC DISTANCE - 4
    Haplogroup Country Comment Count
    I-M423 Poland - 1
    I-M423 Ukraine - 1
    I-Y3118 Lithuania - 1

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    Syrian markers grandfather Ottoman Pasha from Balkans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skerdilaid View Post
    Yeah looks like he was, I am related to a Raznatovic at 23andme who is I2a. His family are with origin from Cetinje, Montenegro.
    I hope not, i just don't think arkan was I2a. If so Then i have to kill myself out of shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skerdilaid View Post
    Yeah looks like he was, I am related to a Raznatovic at 23andme who is I2a. His family are with origin from Cetinje, Montenegro.
    Do you have some other Montenegrins on relatives list?

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    There are a few problems with the theory that I2-Dinaric is a Slavic marker. The first is that it has its highest frequencies are on the Croatian islands of Hvar, Korcula and Brac. The frequencies on these islands are significantly higher than on the Croatian mainland. In addition, its highest frequencies on the Balkan mainland are in the more remote, mountainous regions and its lowest frequencies are in the valleys. However, this is the opposite pattern that we would expect to find because the Slavs were mostly farmers who settled in the fertile valleys and assimilated natives in the highlands. The ratio of R1a:I2a is higher in the areas that were known to have the heaviest Slavic settlements.
    A second problem I have with the theory that I2-Dinaric is a marker of Slavic expansions is that there are far more individuals from northeastern Europe who have tested their haplogroups than from the Balkans. On FTDNA the total number of individuals tested from the Balkans only amounts to around 2,000. In comparison, over 3,000 Ukrainians, 6,500 Poles, 1,300 Belarussians, 1,900 Hungarians and 800 Slovakians have tested. Did Nordtvedt take this into account when calculating I2a's center of diversity?
    If you look at autosomal results for some of the Mycenaean samples that were recently published you will see that we are already finding eastern european dna in the Balkans in the Bronze age.
    This is a weaker point that I2a dinaric was in the Balkans before the Slavs, but still something to consider. Haplogroup I has the greatest predicted height of all y chromosomes and the ancient Illyrians were always described as being tall and well built by the ancients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drawing-slim View Post
    I hope not, i just don't think arkan was I2a. If so Then i have to kill myself out of shame.
    You also probably have the same SNP as Arkan, I2а1b>CTS10228>Z17855.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Advocate View Post
    You also probably have the same SNP as Arkan, I2а1b>CTS10228>Z17855.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Advocate View Post
    Do you have some other Montenegrins on relatives list?
    Yes, many actually

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