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Thread: I-L621, a paleobalkanic haplogroup?

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    I2a were passive farmers who Avars and other steppe tribes pushed like cattle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skerdilaid View Post
    I2a were passive farmers who Avars and other steppe tribes pushed like cattle.
    Interesting, short yet on point history of this hg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmoo View Post
    Actually in Poland (individuals belonging to transitional clades from Disles to Dinaric plus "proto-Dinaric" are all from Poland).
    You used to be quite supportive of this same theory a while ago IIRC.
    Wrong. I was always in favour of Nordtvedt, that doesn't imply anything supportive of the Gothic theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip Latinowitz View Post
    It's Slavic. If it were Germanic there would be Northwest European type of admixture in South Slavs but it seem to be lacking except perhaps in Slovenes, who are not so high in I2 anyway.
    It's incomparable, we are talking like ancient East Germanic (who split away from rest like 3k years ago) here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skerdilaid View Post
    I2a were passive farmers who Avars and other steppe tribes pushed like cattle.
    Acutally, findings from Gotland suggest I2a1b was last haplogroup (together with northern I2a1a) to leave hunting and gathering, my steppenigga.
    Quote Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër View Post
    Wrong. I was always in favour of Nordtvedt, that doesn't imply anything supportive of the Gothic theory.
    I remember that wasn't completely the case when "Albos are Dacians" thread was hot.
    Even he mentioned different possibilities:
    “I wish I knew more about where the Goths truly originated. But if they began in what today is called Pommerania or
    Prussia, then the I2a2a-Dinaric might be their heritage”.
    (this is from cca. 2013, when nomenclature was slightly different).

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    Around 40-50 Wielbark culture DNA samples will be published (probably soon).

    So we will see if there was any I2a-Din in Wielbark culture in ancient Poland.

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    Not again this thread holy shit, it's been said thousand times in other threads that it's an Y-DNA clade connected with Slavic expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skerdilaid View Post
    I2a were passive farmers who Avars and other steppe tribes pushed like cattle.
    Ouch, that could actually be the case.

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    As old as J even older than J in Europe

    G also branched off
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skerdilaid View Post
    passive farmers
    This is not how Early South Slavs were described by Byzantine authors:

    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4268295

    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4268278

    In fact native Pre-Slavic Balkan populations were described as helpless.

    As for the Avars - initial Slavic raids and invasions (ca. 490-560 AD) were carried out alone, without Avar help. The Avars arrived to the Balkans in 561 AD. And their relations with Slavs were complex (also different with different tribes - because Slavs were already divided into many tribes at that time).

    The Avars destroyed the Gepids in 568 AD and defeated the Langobards in 569 AD.

    The Langobards moved to Italy after being defeated by the Avars in Pannonia.

    As for the Avars - sometimes they also fought as Byzantine allies against Slavs. In 584 AD the Slavs under Ardagast besieged Constantinople and Emperor Maurice united with Bayan I (Avar khagan) against the Slavs. Byzantine-Avar forces under Komentiolus defeated Ardagast in two battles. In 585 AD Byzantine-Avar forces under Priskos and Gentzon attacked Slavs to the north of the Danube (in Romania).

    But later the Avars once again united with Slavs against the Byzantines.
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    Pre slav Balkanites were a mixture of Greeks, Thracians (same haplo as Greeks), llyrians (same haplo as Greeks) Scythians (proto-R1a) and Celts (R1b people)
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