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    Default Question about Greek basic color terms (BCTs)...

    I was disappointed to learn that many of the basic colors in Modern Greek i.e. yellow, blue, purple, grey, and brown have Latinate or French origins. Why is this so? Were the thousands of years of Greek textual history not enough to normalize indigenous names for colors?

    Notice: Yellow - Citrona, Blue - Ble (French > Frankish Germanic, spelled mple for some reason), Grey - Gri, Purple - Mov (from French mauve) and Brown - Cafe.

    Indigenous textually attested terms still exist i.e. light blue - galantyo, purple - porphyr, but in many ways they have been superseded by these foreign imports.


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    On the other hand several Greek color words have enriched the English vocabulary.

    Black
    We get the combining form melano from the Greek word meaning dark or black.

    melancholy: a gloomy mental state; according to ancient physiology, a humor called “black bile” was secreted by the kidneys and the spleen, and was thought to cause melancholia.

    melanoma: a skin tumor containing a dark pigment.

    melanin: any dark brown or black pigments of animal or plant structures, for example, hair, or the surface of a raw potato when exposed to air.

    White
    The element leuk in certain medical terms is from the Greek word for white.

    leukemia: a chronic disease characterized by an abnormal increase in the number of white blood cells.

    leukocyte: a white blood cell.

    Red
    The Greek word for red gives us the combining form erythro, which is used in the specialized terminology of medicine, chemistry, and mineralogy.

    erythrophyll: the red coloring matter of leaves in autumn.

    erythroretin: a resinous constituent of rhubarb root.

    erythroscope: an optical contrivance, by which the green of foliage is caused to appear red, while all other green objects retain their natural color.

    erythrocyte: a red blood corpuscle.

    Blue
    Cyan is the Greek word for dark blue, but what artists call “cyan blue” is a color midway between green and blue.

    cyanide: an extremely poisonous crystalline solid. It got its name because it was first obtained by heating the dye pigment known as Prussian blue.

    cyanin: the blue coloring matter of certain flowers (e.g., violets and cornflowers).

    cyanosis: blueness of the skin owing to the circulation of imperfectly oxygenated blood.

    Green
    The Greek word from which we get the combining form chlor described a pale green.

    chloroform: volatile liquid used as an anesthetic. Chloroform is colorless; it got its name as the result of combining the words chlorine and formic, as in formic acid.

    chlorophyll: the coloring matter of the leaves and other green parts of plants.

    chlorine: a yellowish-green heavy gas.

    Finally, the Greek word for color gives us the combining form chromo, which creates nouns and adjectives that denote colored objects, coloring processes, and coloring agents:

    chromatic: full of color.

    polychrome: art executed in many colors.

    chromium: a metallic element remarkable for the brilliant colors–red, yellow, or green–of its compounds.

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    Etymology for Prasino (Green) in Greek: Ancient Greek πράσινος (prásinos, “leek-green”), from πράσον (práson, “leek”).

    πρασινωπός (prasinopós, “greenish”)

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    Κitrino (Yellow) comes from kitrion which comes from greek kedros

    Τα φρούτα αυτά είναι ιθαγενή της Ινδίας και της Κίνας. Το πρώτο που ήρθε προς τα δικά μας μέρη είναι το λιγότερο διαδεδομένο ίσως, το κίτρο, που έφτασε στους ελληνιστικούς χρόνους –και το είπαν, στην αρχή, μηδικόν μήλον, σύμφωνα με τη συνήθεια που είχαν να χρησιμοποιούν το μήλο σαν γενικό όρο για τα οπωρικά.

    Τον όρο μηδικόν μήλον τον χρησιμοποιεί ο Θεόφραστος, τον 4ο αιώνα π.Χ., που το ήξερε το κίτρο, έστω κι αν δεν είχε αρχίσει ακόμα να καλλιεργείται στα μέρη τα δικά μας. Αντίθετα, τον πρώτο αιώνα μ.Χ., η καλλιέργειά του έχει πλέον διαδοθεί, κι έτσι ο Διοσκορίδης γράφει «τα δε μηδικά λεγόμενα ή περσικά ή κεδρόμηλα, ρωμαϊστί δε κίτρια, πάσι γνώριμα».

    Η λέξη κίτριον ή κιτρίον (και οι δυο τονισμοί υπάρχουν) θεωρείται δάνεια από το λατινικό citrus, το οποίο είναι δάνειο από το ελλ. κέδρος. Ο Γαληνός τον δεύτερο αιώνα βεβαιώνει ότι η αλλαγή της ονομασίας έχει πια εδραιωθεί: «ταύτης ο καρπός ουκέτι μήλον μηδικόν, αλλά κιτρίον υπό πάντων ονομάζεται». Το κιτρίον έγινε στα σημερινά ελληνικά κίτρο, που το λέμε και κιτρολέμονο για να θυμηθούμε το τραγούδι του Χατζιδάκι σε στίχους Γκάτσου Ελύτη:

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    There are variations for blue in the Greek language like galano, thallasi and ourani.

    θαλασσί και ουρανί, ενώ για την απόδοση συγκεκριμένων μπλε χροιών χρησιμοποιούμε ονομασίες ομώνυμες με το ομόχρωμο ορυκτό ή φυτό που μας παρέχει το αντίστοιχο χρώμα,

    Έχομε λοιπόν: κυανούς, κυανόχρους, κυανόχρωμος, κυανοειδής.
    Ο έχων ανοιχτό μπλε χρώμα είναι γαλανός, γαλάζιος, γλαυκός, γλαυκοειδής, θαλασσής, ουρανής (σιέλ), βαθυκύανος, βαθυγάλαζος, γαλανόλευκος, γκριζογάλανος, γαλαζοπράσινος, μπλαβής, καλλάινος, περουζένιος, τυρκουάζ, ζαφειρένιος.

    To κυανός το χρησιμοποιούμαι σε λογότυπα, όπως π.χ. κυανούς σταυρός ή σαν σύνθετο κυρίως σε λέξεις σχετικές με παθήσεις όπως κυάνωση, κυανόχροια, κυανοδερμία, κυανοπάθεια.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    Κitrino (Yellow) comes from kitrion which comes from greek kedros
    What about aspros, mauros, and kokkinos? I know kokkinos is Greek, but why don't they use erychtos and leukos for red and white?


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    I'll try to find the translation in Greek

    ΜΕΛΑΝ, λοιπόν, το ουδέτερο του επιθέτου μέλας – μέλαινα – μέλαν είναι η αρχαία λέξη για το μαύρο, η οποία χρησιμοποιείται ακόμα και σήμερα για την χρωματική περιγραφή παντός σκοτεινού, μελανωπού πράγματος ακόμα και αν τούτο δεν είναι ολοσχερώς μέλαν.

    Κατά τον Κούρτιο η ρίζα της λέξης βρίσκεται στο ρήμα «μολύνω» = δημιουργώ ρύπους < μόλος (αίσχος, αισχύνω) και κατ’ επέκτασιν σκούρο, θαμπό χρώμα, βρομιά.
    Σε αρχαιότερα ελληνικά και στα ομηρικά έπη έχουμε τα επίθετα Κελαινός, Δνοφερός, Ερεβώδης και Ερέβεννος για την απόδοση του σκότους, του μαύρου ή σκοτεινού χρώματος.

    Η σύγχρονη λέξη ΜΑΥΡΟΣ προέρχεται από το Αμαυρός, που ίσως συνδέεται με την λέξη Αμυδρός που είχε αρχικά την σημασία του μη καθαρού, του συσκοτισμένου, του εξασθενισμένου.

    Κατά το λεξικό Liddell Scott από την εποχή του Πίνδαρου ήταν εν χρήσει το ρήμα Μαυρόω αντί του Αμαυρόω σημαίνοντας σκοτίζω, μαυρίζω, τυφλώνω, κάνω τινά αδύνατον, ανίσχυρον και μεταφορικά κάμνω κάτι σκοτεινό, ασαφές ή λησμονημένο.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Óttar View Post
    What about aspros, mauros, and kokkinos? I know kokkinos is Greek, but why don't they use erychtos and leukos for red and white?
    Mavros and its deritives, melanopos (blackish) melampsos (swarthy, darkish) are being used from the time of Pindar., its root comes from amauroo http://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the...e69cf7a17.html

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    In the Far East, the names of colours are also imported. The colour palette of Western Europe isn't some universal outgrowth of civilization.


    Check this:

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