Le Pen Calls for French-Russian Friendship

[Sekarotuinen]

Look more wider at this problem. It would be wrong to regard both World Wars as a different events. That was one time-stretched war with the same enemy German Reich + similar regimes. One time (1914-1918) strategy was successful and France played the main role in this victory, the next time-not . But it doesn't change the reality, Western coalition (France, UK and US) won again.

I'm not discrediting the French in the Second World War. The Maginot actually worked, it was only the fear of diplomatic reprocussions if they expanded it to Belgium that led to the failure of France's strategy. I'm saying that when France itself is not directly affected, dont expect the French to assist, even if the ally involve had recently assisted them.

[Ülev]

bad idea

[Fantomas]

I'm aware that you had to deal with Algeria at the time, but you could have at least given us token support, instead of the finger.

As far as the Korean war. Even ETHIOPIA sent more soldiers than France. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

Yes that was the only problem for mutual western integration. All of them De Gaulle, and USA supported globalism, but they were people of 20th century beginning with appropriate national, colonial and war background and kind of different points of view respectively

[Jehan]

De Gaulle wanted to unite Britain and France in one nation, supported Marshall's plan, European Union, Atlantic Pact and NATO creation with capital in Paris and decided to continue France's membership of the Atlantic Pact when it came up for renewal

The unificcation of Britain and France has never really been a serious project. It was desesperate solution to a deep crisis.

Yeah he support Marshall plan, you seriously know a guy who will refuse money to rebuild his country after a war?

He support a kind of European federation, not the actual European Union. And it was mainly to keep the safety of Europeans nations against the soviet bloc.

As far as the Korean war. Even ETHIOPIA sent more soldiers than France. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

I'am deep partisan of wikipedia and I contribute to it, but here there are some mystakes in the numbers.
Take a look at the casualities of France. We send 1185 soldiers and we had 262 dead, 1.008 wounded, 7 MIA and 12 POW?

[Sekarotuinen]

Yes that was the only problem for mutual western integration. All of them De Gaulle, and USA supported globalism, but they were people of 20th century beginning with appropriate national, colonial and war background and kind of different points of view respectively

Do you dont think I'm justified in saying France was particularly two faced? The USA was clearly much better to France than France was to the USA.

[Sekarotuinen]

The unificcation of Britain and France has never really been a serious project. It was desesperate solution to a deep crisis.

Yeah he support Marshall plan, you seriously know a guy who will refuse money to rebuild his country after a war?

He support a kind of European federation, not the actual European Union. And it was mainly to keep the safety of Europeans nations against the soviet bloc.





I'am deep partisan of wikipedia and I contribute to it, but here there are some mystakes in the numbers.
Take a look at the casualities of France. We send 1185 soldiers and we had 262 dead, 1.008 wounded, 7 MIA and 12 POW?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French...n_(Korean_War)

That's the most at any one time. About 3,500 French troops were cycled in and out of Korea.

[Fantomas]

I'm not discrediting the French in the Second World War. The Maginot actually worked, it was only the fear of diplomatic reprocussions if they expanded it to Belgium that led to the failure of France's strategy.

Agree, there're everything to stop Germans. But don't forget that except tactical and strategical there's serious problem with internal enemies in Western states, supporters of new socialistic dictators regime in both left and right camps as well, or "peacemakers" in Britain and France which responded for German strengthening

I'm saying that when France itself is not directly affected, dont expect the French to assist, even if the ally involve had recently assisted them.

What do you mean? France took a part in all wars of Alliance for the last time.

[Sekarotuinen]

Vietnam was the largest NATO engagement by far. Nearly everyone sent a token force at least. Not France.

[Fantomas]

The unificcation of Britain and France has never really been a serious project. It was desesperate solution to a deep crisis.

Yeah he support Marshall plan, you seriously know a guy who will refuse money to rebuild his country after a war?

He support a kind of European federation, not the actual European Union. And it was mainly to keep the safety of Europeans nations against the soviet bloc.

Anyway. All of these persons and these doings were basis for global integration. This process natural and irreversible. De Gaulle and others must realized consequences of own actions

[Jehan]

The problem is you seem to see France as a superpower and we aren't since WWI.

Some guys desesperatelly fight to keep an appearance of powers. But outside of our sphere of influence we cannot make anything. And even inside, we lost colonies and influence very fast. We focus energy and strenght to keep the power and it was useless.