Good blog post on the possibility of higher "Slavic" input in Peloponnese

[Sikeliot]

Everyone is misunderstanding my point.

NE European input is present but low.

But without testing Bulgarians and Serbs, how do we know how much population replacement took place? The estimate seems much lower if using Russians to proxy the incoming Slavs, but larger if using the predominantly native origin Bulgarians.

Therefore, the study proved limited NE Euro input, it did NOT prove full genetic continuity among Peloponnesians.

[XenophobicPrussian]

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/0...tion-bias.html

This is what I was saying.

The population replacement may have happened, but not by Polish-like people, rather Bulgarian-like people. Hence why Peloponnesians do not plot exactly with Sicilians and Italians.

Where do Peloponnesians plot? Do you have K15 results from a few? I doubt they're more northern shifted than other Greeks, they even have less R1a than northern Greeks. The most Slavic Greeks seem to be Greeks from Thessaly.

If Bulgarian like Slavs replaced Peloponnesians(and if they're more southern or the same as other Greeks) then they would've also had to replace the entirety of Greece. Most ancient sources should be taken with a grain of salt, it's highly unlikely any group of Slavs replaced any native groups in Greece.

I also highly doubt Greeks have 14% genuine post-500 AD NE Euro admixture. That'd mean they'd be even much more southern shifted than they are today and they don't even have that much R1a/Slavic I2, which would've only been brought by males so the autosomal input should be much less than Y-DNA input, not all of their R1a is probably Slavic either.

[Sikeliot]

Where do Peloponnesians plot? Do you have K15 results from a few? I doubt they're more northern shifted than other Greeks, they even have less R1a than northern Greeks. The most Slavic Greeks seem to be Greeks from Thessaly.

If Bulgarian like Slavs replaced Peloponnesians(and if they're more southern or the same as other Greeks) then they would've also had to replace the entirety of Greece. Most ancient sources should be taken with a grain of salt, it's highly unlikely any group of Slavs replaced any native groups in Greece.

I also highly doubt Greeks have 14% genuine post-500 AD NE Euro admixture. That'd mean they'd be even much more southern shifted than they are today and they don't even have that much R1a/Slavic I2, which would've only been brought by males so the autosomal input should be much less than Y-DNA input, not all of their R1a is probably Slavic either.

Peloponnese would have less than the rest of the mainland. I think a good place to put them genetically is near Italians from Abruzzo.

With that said, I am not saying NE Euro is high, but that we should model the Slavs in Greece with Balkan Slavs, not Russians.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Peloponnese would have less than the rest of the mainland. I think a good place to put them genetically is near Italians from Abruzzo.

With that said, I am not saying NE Euro is high, but that we should model the Slavs in Greece with Balkan Slavs, not Russians.

You specifically said 14% NE Euro though, and suggested Balkan Slavic admixture could be up to 90-100%(aka a population replacement), but Peloponnese are likely less Slavic than all other Greeks except islanders so that doesn't make any sense.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

This sounds more legit and more reliable based on middle age chronicles, there goes another fairytale about purity of greek people something which was attempted in another thread with clear agenda driven study.

[Voskos]

This sounds more legit and more reliable based on middle age chronicles, there goes another fairytale about purity of greek people something which was attempted in another thread with clear agenda driven study.

Dear fatlips, your total slavic is about two times higher than mine, if not higher.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Dear fatlips, your total slavic is about two times higher than mine, if not higher.

You're cretan understandably you score less slavic and more Maghrebi, so you're safe but you're brother from Peloponnese are more mishmash and obviously doesn't fall into those generic fairytales I keep hearing about muh ancient purity stuff.

You were ok with clearly biased study of days ago but I see you dislike this one because doesn't fit your own views I see.

[Coolguy1]

You're cretan understandably you score less slavic and more Maghrebi, so you're safe but you're brother from Peloponnese are more mishmash and obviously doesn't fall into those generic fairytales I keep hearing about muh ancient purity stuff.

You were ok with clearly biased study of days ago but I see you dislike this one because doesn't fit your own views I see.

Except Albanians score more I2a and R1a than Greeks in general

[Voskos]

You're cretan understandably you score less slavic and more Maghrebi, so you're safe but you're brother from Peloponnese are more mishmash and obviously doesn't fall into those generic fairytales I keep hearing about muh ancient purity stuff.

You were ok with clearly biased study of days ago but I see you dislike this one because doesn't fit your own views I see.

its the same study, but this time commented by a polish blogger who disagrees with it.

you score less slavic and more Maghrebi

as if albs didnt score maghrebi on top of slav

[Petalpusher]

It's 0.2-14%, it seems right but it's a range.