Good blog post on the possibility of higher "Slavic" input in Peloponnese

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Except Albanians score more I2a and R1a than Greeks in general

Actually you stand higher in genuine slavic marker R1a according to eupedia, in Ghegs Albanians both markers are pretty much in negligible numbers esp. R1a which is pretty hard to find.

[Voskos]

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/0...tion-bias.html

This is what I was saying.

The population replacement may have happened, but not by Polish-like people, rather Bulgarian-like people. Hence why Peloponnesians do not plot exactly with Sicilians and Italians.

man, have you ever seen a peloponnesian. most of the time i mistake them for islanders or athenians

[Coolguy1]

Actually you stand higher in genuine slavic marker R1a according to eupedia, in Ghegs Albanians both markers are pretty much in negligible numbers esp. R1a which is pretty hard to find.

Greeks are higher in R1a and Albos are higher in I2a. Even still, Slavic y dna in Greeks is 22.8% whereas its 23.6% in Albanians.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

its the same study, but this time commented by a polish blogger who disagrees with it.



as if albs didnt score maghrebi on top of slav

They should come out with y dna results also, not solely if they plot closer to Poles (referring as slavic homeland) or Sicilians, besides, that's pretty inconsistent and misleading measurement when Bulgarians are ignored in study given they were the ones who had direct effect on your population not northern Slavics, if they did took reference from Bulgarians or any South Slavs, we would have much different mirror yet more correct interpretation of data, the previous study was a bullcrap with clear hidden agenda.

You won't see Albanians scoring high amount of ashkenazi, arab and whatnot other levantine to be scored in dna.land/or in other calculators, so you should be last to even project this results to anyone who's plotting much northern then you.....Even at slavs, is rather debatable subject.

[Sikeliot]

It's 0.2-14%, it seems right but it's a range.

And my point is if we assume Bulgarian-like "Slavs" in the Peloponnese, the ancestry would be higher than this. 0.2% is for the isolated groups like Tsakonia.

[Coolguy1]

They should come out with y dna results also, not solely if they plot closer to Poles (referring as slavic homeland) or Sicilians, besides, that's pretty inconsistent and misleading measurement when Bulgarians are ignored in study given they were the ones who had direct effect on your population not northern Slavics, if they did took reference from Bulgarians or any South Slavs, we would have much different mirror yet more correct interpretation of data, the previous study was a bullcrap with clear hidden agenda.

You won't see Albanians scoring high amount of ashkenazi, arab and whatnot other levantine to be scored in dna.land/or in other calculators, so you should be last to even project this results to anyone who's plotting much northern then you.....Even at slavs, is rather debatable subject.

On every gedmatch calculator, Albanians have a closer distance to Bulgarians than Greeks do to Bulgarians on average.

If they used Bulgaria as a proxy then im sure the IBD sharing would be high, but what else would you expect? both populations come primarily from a pre-Slavic substrate.

The point is, original Slavic input from northern Europe is low, its as simple as that

[Sikeliot]

man, have you ever seen a peloponnesian. most of the time i mistake them for islanders or athenians

It depends on where. Maniots I often take for Sicilian. However, people in the north and inland regions, not so much.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Greeks are higher in R1a and Albos are higher in I2a. Even still, Slavic y dna in Greeks is 22.8% whereas its 23.6% in Albanians.

Yes, but breaking down in northern regions on both of our countries you stand much higher in two slavic markers, I2a and R1a, even if geographically speaking we were historically surrounded by army of slavs yet managed to be less influenced by them.

[Sikeliot]

On every gedmatch calculator, Albanians have a closer distance to Bulgarians than Greeks do to Bulgarians on average.

If they used Bulgaria as a proxy then im sure the IBD sharing would be high, but what else would you expect? both populations come primarily from a pre-Slavic substrate.

The point is, original Slavic input from northern Europe is low, its as simple as that

You can't use GEDmatch here to prove your point and then dismiss the validity of it when I point out Peloponnesians and Sicilians on GEDmatch do not come out as close as this study would make one think.

Overall, I have not seen any GEDmatch from Tsakonia or from "Deep Mani" so I cannot say, but the regular, ordinary Peloponnesians, are not much different than other mainlanders.

My point in posting this is not to prove Peloponnesians are NE Euro, the study disproved this. But it DID NOT disprove the notion of disrupted genetic continuity.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

On every gedmatch calculator, Albanians have a closer distance to Bulgarians than Greeks do to Bulgarians on average.

If they used Bulgaria as a proxy then im sure the IBD sharing would be high, but what else would you expect? both populations come primarily from a pre-Slavic substrate.

The point is, original Slavic input from northern Europe is low, its as simple as that

If it wasn't for Asia Minor migrants and Greek Islander you would be up north, plotting near Bulgarians.

Besides plotting north in Balkans shouldn't be immediately associated with Slavs, many pre-Slavs from north were here and assimilated within an ethnic group.