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    What happened to the Amerindians in the Caribbean? Is there any genetic input from them in modern day populations and how much is it? Are there genuine Amerindian communities left in the region?

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    average puerto rican/cuban/dominican scores some amerindian





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    Killed or assimilated through mating, mostly killed tho.
    All around me are familiar faces, worn out places, worn out faces
    Bright and early for the daily races, going nowhere, going nowhere

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    Most indigenous Caribbean peoples were too unruly to be properly enslaved by the colonists; many of them would escape from their lodgings and go live free in the woods to only return once they were recaptured by the settlers. This behaviour led to the import of the more obedient African slaves into the region. Native Caribbeans became then an 'unnecessary' element in those societies and they eventually were ostracised, neglected and outbred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foreigner View Post
    What happened to the Amerindians in the Caribbean? Is there any genetic input from them in modern day populations and how much is it? Are there genuine Amerindian communities left in the region?
    Most died from diseases spread by Europeans. The importation of Africans and immigration of Colonials mixing caused the Amerindian Admixture to deplete continually. Caribbean Native Ancestry is more prevalent in some lesser Antilles islands but they are caribes not taino tribes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foreigner View Post
    What happened to the Amerindians in the Caribbean? Is there any genetic input from them in modern day populations and how much is it? Are there genuine Amerindian communities left in the region?
    The caribbean was the first region of the Americas conquest by the spaniards, because of that the way they dealed with the natives was a complet disaster.
    Essentyally Colombus turn all the natives in to slavery and send them to search gold.
    Most of them die of exaustation and foreing diceses.
    The brutality of this experience was denounce by the cleregy and as a resut of that the kings of Spain enacted one of the first treatys on human rigths of the history.
    Then they replace the dead indians with blacks.
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    Is there significant Amerindian admixture in any modern Caribbean populations?

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    Disease and forced labor on sugar plantations kill them off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foreigner View Post
    Is there significant Amerindian admixture in any modern Caribbean populations?
    In lesser antilles yes. In latin American populations of Caribbean practically no. But there's incredibly low amount of individual outliers who will score a significant amount. But in your lifetime you will most likely never meet one of these people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foreigner View Post
    What happened to the Amerindians in the Caribbean? Is there any genetic input from them in modern day populations and how much is it? Are there genuine Amerindian communities left in the region?
    Caribs (of the Lesser Antilles) resisted European expansion much more efficiently than Arawaks & Tainos (of the Greater Antilles).

    There are still few unmixed Caribs today, they live in the Carib Territory on Dominica:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carib_Territory

    European wars against Caribs lasted probably since 1493 (if the theory that La Navidad was destroyed by a Carib raid is true) until 1930 (the last armed clash between Caribs and Europeans on Dominica) - over four centuries! I found this chronology of Carib-European fights:

    - 1500s - Caribs prevent Spanish attempts of settlement in the Lesser Antilles and raid their settlements in the Greater Antilles.
    - September 1520 - five war canoes with 150 Carib warriors attack Puerto Rico, burn villages, kill 20 Spaniards, enslave 50 people.
    - 1569 - around 800 Carib warriors attack Puerto Rico, plunder the island, destroy the town of San German and enslave many people.
    - 1605 - Caribs attack and destroy the English colony on St. Lucia (out of 67 settlers, 19 survived and abandoned the island).
    - 1609 - on Grenada English settlers who established Megrin Town are forced to abandon the island by Carib raids.
    - 1620 - Caribs from Grenada repeatedly raid the coastlines of Trinidad and South America.
    - 1626 - massacre of Caribs by settlers of St. Kitts, later Caribs retaliate and attack St. Kitts (ca. 100 settlers die), but the colony survives.
    - 1635 - Caribs from Dominica, St. Vincent and Guadelupe attack French settlements on Martinique.
    - 1636-39 - French-Carib war for the control of Martinique.
    - 1639 - English settlers once again colonize St. Lucia, but are massacred by Caribs in 1641.
    - 1639 - French settlers attempt to colonize Grenada, but are repulsed by Caribs. Another attempt succeeds and local Caribs are massacred
    - 1640 - Caribs raid Antigua, killing 40 English settlers and kidnapping 4 women (including gubernator's wife).
    - 1650 - Caribs raid European settlements on Grenada.
    - 1653 - Antigua is plundered by Caribs. They also massacre French colonists on Marie Galante (near Guadelupe) and attack Martinique
    - 1653 - Caribs of Grenada are defeated and commit a collective suicide.
    - 1654 - the French temporarily lost control over trade route between Martinique and Guadelupe, due to Carib piracy.
    - 1656 - Caribs from Dominica and St. Vincent massacre French colony on St. Barthelemy, plunder Antigua and attack English settlers on Nevis.
    - 1660 - peace treaty between England, France and Caribs, ensuring "neutrality" of Dominica and St. Vincent. England and France promise to stop attempting to colonize these islands, while Caribs promise to retreat from other islands.
    - 1674 - Caribs from Dominica and St. Vincent attack Antigua and Monserrat.
    - 1681 - large Carib force (50 canoes x 40 archers = 2000 men) attack Barbuda and massacre the colony. Europeans counterattack but are repulsed.
    - 1748 - Dominican Caribs are still independent ("neutral territory").
    - 1761 - Great Britain finally captures Dominica.

    - 1772-73 - the 1st war against Caribs on St. Vincent (these were mostly the so called "Black Caribs", who were mixed-race - they were descended from African slaves who escaped from European plantations and then mixed with native Caribs). A large army of 2273 British soldiers attack St. Vincent of whom 150 are killed and wounded, 110 die of disease.Caribs won that 1st war (Brits failed to conquer the island).

    -1795-96 - the 2nd war against Caribs on St. Vincent. On 08.03.1795 colonists captured 8 Caribs, but two days later Caribs destroyed a British unit, killing 31 soldiers. On 12.03. Caribs captured the main hill on the island and started to attack the capital city. They were also burning plantations and killing settlers. Two days later British soldiers recaptured the hill, killing the chieftain of Carib rebels. On 21.03. Caribs retreated to Calliaqua burning the land behind them. The first attempt of destroying Caribs resisting in Calliaqua, on 10.04., failed. On 26.04. British forces destroyed 25 Carib houses and several canoes. On 11.06. Caribs supported by French allies fought a battle against English forces in the Marriaqua Valley - 23 French and Caribs died, 60 were captured. Brits lost 17 dead and 58 wounded. On 03.09. Caribs attacked Owia settlement and re-captured it from Brits. On 30.09. Caribs attacked Vigie and captured British supply bases - Brits escaped after suffering 60 killed and wounded. On 02.10. strong British forces (1650 soldiers) recaptured Vigie after a day-long battle. But on 08.01.1796 Caribs surprise-attacked Vigie and recaptured it again. Brits retreated to their local capital, after the loss of 17 officers and 137 soldiers & volunteers killed or wounded. On 14.01. Caribs attempted to capture the capital - Kingston - but were repulsed (the British army lost 50 dead and wounded). Brits brought in reinforcements - in total they had 4000 soldiers on the island - and also captured the French island of St. Lucia. On 10.06. with artillery support Brits attacked Vigie again. After a day-long battle Caribs surrendered.

    After that war Caribs were expelled from St. Vincent to the island of Roatan near Honduras. 2500 out of 5000 Caribs died during that deportation. The rest survived and live on the island of Roatan until today (they are known as Garifuna - they are Zambos, mixed SSA + Native ancestry):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garifuna

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zambo

    Dominica is the last island where unmixed Caribs live today, in the Carib Territory. The last fight against Caribs on Dominica was in 1930.
    Last edited by Peterski; 03-29-2017 at 08:16 AM.

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