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    Most South Slavs seem to be part of the Slavic clusters of R1a. Although Illyrians and Thracians did have R1a and R1b clusters as they were Indo-Europeans and other haplogroups like E-V13 and J2b2/J2a were absorbed by the original Indo-European Illyrians and Thracians so in short Illyrians and Thracians were originally R1a and R1b just like other Indo-European populations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Most South Slavs seem to be part of the Slavic clusters of R1a. Although Illyrians and Thracians did have R1a and R1b clusters as they were Indo-Europeans and other haplogroups like E-V13 and J2b2/J2a were absorbed by the original Indo-European Illyrians and Thracians so in short Illyrians and Thracians were originally R1a and R1b just like other Indo-European populations
    How can Bosnians be part of R1a when 60% in average are I2,
    R1a are predominantly Slovenians, and people from North-Eastern Serbia, and reason
    for that are Slavic Migrations obviously.

    On the other hand:

    People from Southern Serbia are E-V13 predominantly just like Kosovars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    How can Bosnians be part of R1a when 60% in average are I2,
    R1a are predominantly Slovenians, and people from North-Eastern Serbia, and reason
    for that are Slavic Migrations obviously.

    On the other hand:

    People from Southern Serbia are E-V13 predominantly just like Kosovars.
    I said that the R1a that south Slavs belong to is the Slavic cluster just like how they belong to the Slavic cluster of I2a

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    many of my autosomal dna relatives belong to the slavic clusters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    How can Bosnians be part of R1a when 60% in average are I2,
    R1a are predominantly Slovenians, and people from North-Eastern Serbia, and reason
    for that are Slavic Migrations obviously.

    On the other hand:

    People from Southern Serbia are E-V13 predominantly just like Kosovars.
    You are clueless.

    Ottomans moved a lot of Muslim Albanians(arnaut) in South Serbia,because those places where left vacant by Serbs migating towards North.Most of northern Serbs are Medieval Kosovars,so norther Serbs are actually the most "Southern" Serbs as most of today's southern serbs migrants from central Serbia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    I said that the R1a that south Slavs belong to is the Slavic cluster just like how they belong to the Slavic cluster of I2a
    I2a are probably Celts from Gaul who fled from Frankish occupation in 4th-5th century.
    I2a is certainly Not Slavic.

    Bosniaks are mixture of Illyrian-Celtic ancient tribes while Serbs are Illyrian-Thracian (Triballians).
    Romans used to call us Illyrians no matter the details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deymark View Post
    You are clueless.

    Ottomans moved a lot of Muslim Albanians(arnaut) in South Serbia,because those places where left vacant by Serbs migating towards North.Most of northern Serbs are Medieval Kosovars,so norther Serbs are actually the most "Southern" Serbs as most of today's southern serbs migrants from central Serbia.
    I don't think you are wrong either, could be truth. I have a little knowledge of Albanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    I said that the R1a that south Slavs belong to is the Slavic cluster just like how they belong to the Slavic cluster of I2a
    There is no Slavic cluster of I2a. Read a book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    I2a are probably Celts from Gaul who fled from Frankish occupation in 4th-5th century.
    I2a is certainly Not Slavic.
    Ummm no. Celts hardly had I2a, they were mainly R1b

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Ummm no. Celts hardly had I2a, they were mainly R1b
    What?

    R1b are Frankish conquerors of Gaul
    R1b are Lombard conquerors of Italy

    Those are Germanic peoples.

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