What is Paleo-Atlantid Type?

[RN97]

He was classifdied as Alpine by Coon and it s correct.

Plate 14 - Alpines from Central, Eastern, and Southeastern Europe
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troeplate14.htm
"FIG. 5 (3 views). A Greek from Sparta. The Alpine strain of southern Albania extends down through western Greece into the Peloponnesus. In Greece it is frequently blended with a local tall Mediterranean strain."

I know Dieneks desperately seek CM in Greece and some years ago claim this fat unibrow CM but he wasn't...

If he is mixed, he's mixed with med...

Alpines are reduced UP. To me paleoatlantids have no real basis to be unreduced UP as they look less like unreduced UP than some alpinids. The longer heads of PA might be due to nordic admixture, but they certainly are not a altered UP type as can be seen by the examples I've quoted. Especially the 2nd one (the woman) has clear lappid admixture. I'd argue for the fact that she can even be modelled as 50% lappid 50% other type.

[Wariorr3D]

Alpines are reduced UP. To me paleoatlantids have no real basis to be unreduced UP as they look less like unreduced UP than some alpinids. The longer heads of PA might be due to nordic admixture, but they certainly are not a altered UP type as can be seen by the examples I've quoted. Especially the 2nd one (the woman) has clear lappid admixture. I'd argue for the fact that she can even be modelled as 50% lappid 50% other type.

>alpines are reduced UP
partially true,alpinizaition is just a process ,the more you have it the more you like like a baby,gives people neotanous features,so alpine is too much generaric term.Most alpines are reduced non european UP,which came with the rest of the swarthy phenotypes,however plenty of light alpines in Scandinavia that are fully european.

[Lucas]

Very neoteanus... They just dark CM, local, maybe inbreeded to some extent variant. They aren't alpinids because they are long headed... Nordic+Alpine? So they are Subnordic to you?

[cosmoo]

Paleo-Atlantid is non-existent type, used only by Lundman and no one else.
In theory, it would be swarthy, dolichocephalic CM of NW Europe. However, not only would people of this description be extremely rare in reality (just like his Eastern European equivalent of it, "Pre-Slavic" type), but his pictorial examples are in extreme contradiction with his descriptions (you don't get to be further removed from unreduced UP than many of his examples):

[Wariorr3D]

Very neoteanus... They just dark CM, local, maybe inbreeded to some extent variant. They aren't alpinids because they are long headed... Nordic+Alpine? So they are Subnordic to you?

Thats not a good example of alpine,true alpines have more brachy heads ,wider skull and more neootanous(feminine,gracile) features and sometimes look asian due to that.


Coon gave very good examples,

and here is an heavy alpinesed irish ,notice the neotanous features..

[RN97]

>alpines are reduced UP
partially true,alpinizaition is just a process ,the more you have it the more you like like a baby,gives people neotanous features,so alpine is too much generaric term.Most alpines are reduced non european UP,which came with the rest of the swarthy phenotypes,however plenty of light alpines in Scandinavia that are fully european.

I rather trust Coon than you. It's a reduced and foetalized UP type. It might off course have been mixed with other elements that came outside of Europe thousands of years ago, but you find alpines everywhere in Europe, including Norway

It's also a common type in Romania, so you're shooting yourself in the foot with that statement.

[Lucas]

Thats not a good example of alpine,true alpines have more brachy heads ,wider skull and more neootanous(feminine,gracile) features and sometimes look asian due to that.


Coon gave very good examples,

and here is an heavy alpinesed irish ,notice the neotanous features..

It was irony Because he wasn't Alpine but Tydal...

[Lucas]

Paleo-Atlantid is non-existent type, used only by Lundman and no one else.
In theory, it would be swarthy, dolichocephalic CM of NW Europe. However, not only would people of this description be extremely rare in reality (just like his Eastern European equivalent of it, "Pre-Slavic" type), but his pictorial examples are in extreme contradiction with his descriptions (you don't get to be further removed from unreduced UP than many of his examples):

So I posted better.

[Wariorr3D]

I rather trust Coon than you. It's a reduced and foetalized UP type. It might off course have been mixed with other elements that came outside of Europe thousands of years ago, but you find alpines everywhere in Europe, including Norway

It's also a common type in Romania, so you're shooting yourself in the foot with that statement.

I do NOT disagree with you ,reread,alpinization is nothing but a process,its also found in Romania but most of it is from the med and dinarid hence its identical in pigmentation,dark.Its adaptation towards a sedentary lifstyle.Alpiniation doesnt mean dark people ,it just happens that in Romania most of the people belong to dark phenotypes hence the alpine is a dark one..

[Wariorr3D]

Wrong thread.