Post East European scores from Eurogenes k10

[Karol Klačansky]

My mother's side is English and Irish ... probably a bit more English than Irish.
The surnames in her family are typical of English-Irish names, I dont know of any continental or east euro ancestry there but I dont know too much about her deep ancestry or more than 2 to 3 generations back.
Well my East Euro on K10 is only 30.05, my North Slavic on DnaLand is 34%, and on FTDNA I get 27% East Euro in My Origins. From the calculators in Gedmatch I think Im getting just slightly over the Hungarian average for E.E, so possibly my father has a higher than avg N.Slavic too. You said your father gets 60% N.Slavic and your brother who is 3/4 Slovak gets 53%... thats only 7% less than someone who is full Slovak.

In Gedmatch Oracle single population calculators I often get Hungarian/Austrian/East German as closest population. Here are a couple examples.

Eurogenes K13 Admixture
1)Austrian
2)East German
3)Hungarian

Harrapa World
1)Hungarian
2)Slovenian
3)North European

Dodecad k7b
1)Hungarians
2) Mixed Germanic
3) German

MDLP World 22
1) German
2)Austrian
3)Hungarian

Dodecad V3
1)Slovenian
2)German
3)Hungarian

Eurasia k9
1)Hungarian
2)French
3)Croatian

Eurasia k11
1)Croatian
2)Hungarian
3)English

Gedrosia k3
1)Hungarian
2)Lithuanian
3)Norwegian

Gedrosia k15
1)Croatia
2)Hungarian
3)Czech

Gedrosia k12
1)Norwegian
2)Greek
3)Russian

Eurasia k14
1)Hungarian
2)Ukranian
3)Croatian

Eu Test
1)Austria
2)West and Central German
3)Netherlands
4)Hungary
5)Cornish

Eu Mixed mode 2 population

1) 54.1% Hungarian and 45.9% Irish.
2) 56.4% Hungarian and 43.6% Scottish.
3) 52.5% Hungarian and 47.5% Orcadian.

Interesting results. I think ur results are still quite atypical for your background.

What are ur dodecad v3 results?

How much Southeastern euro did u score on ftdna? I score 52% East euro and 8% south east euro.

Also with my brothers results. Like I said some of the admixtures are hidden in the other populations. DNA land needs to do a lot of work. I show up with 4.4% finnish and 8 % balkan. My parents get none. It's obviously not a very good calculator yet. However if we add up my eastern euro results Finnish+north slavic+balkan I get 55%, pretty much the same as my brothers. On gedmatch our results are very similar.

[oszkar07]

Interesting results. I think ur results are still quite atypical for your background.

What are ur dodecad v3 results?

How much Southeastern euro did u score on ftdna? I score 52% East euro and 8% south east euro.

Also with my brothers results. Like I said some of the admixtures are hidden in the other populations. DNA land needs to do a lot of work. I show up with 4.4% finnish and 8 % balkan. My parents get none. It's obviously not a very good calculator yet. However if we add up my eastern euro results Finnish+north slavic+balkan I get 55%, pretty much the same as my brothers. On gedmatch our results are very similar.

Dodecad V3

# Population Percent
1 West_European 44.42
2 Mediterranean 24.79
3 East_European 18.04
4 West_Asian 9.48
5 Southwest_Asian 2.08
6 Northeast_Asian 1.02
7 Palaeo_African 0.12
8 Neo_African 0.06


1 Slovenian (Xing)
2 German (Dodecad)
3 Hungarians (Behar)
4 CEU (HapMap)
5 N._European (Xing)


Well if we take this Dodecad V3 for example, despite what you have been saying about me having high east euro for a half Hungarian lets take a look at a few East Euro averages here from the Dodecad V3 spreadsheet.

Oszkar : East Euro = 18.04
Hungarian: East Euro = 26.40
Balkans : East Euro = 27.93
British Isles: East Euro = 3.40
German : East Euro = 16.88
Slovenian: East Euro = 22.40
Polish: East Euro = 44.34
BeloRussian: East Euro = 55.10


Looking at these E.E averages above , I am fitting in between German and Slovenian ... If you look at my single population Oracle results ...Slovenian,German,Hungarian.

Actually I find my overall Gedmatch results in terms of the single pop and some of the 2 pop , reasonably reflective of what I would expect of my background. In most of the 1 to 5 results, Hungarian-Germanic-
English, and some Slav like Slovenian-Croatian tends to be consistant. Its quite possible the Germanic component is a combo of "British-English" component and Central European component and not to mention my Ydna Haplogroup IM233.
The aspect that I agree is a bit unusual is DnaLand giving me 21% Balkan, and also East Balkan shows up in Gedmatch calculator k36: E.B= 5.80. As mentioned in the single population Gedmatch oracles between 1 to 5 I get some southern Slav populations like Slovenian-Croat, but no Serb or East Balkan pops between 1 to 5.

On ftdna I get no Southern Euro, on DnaLand I get 4.4% SW Euro.

On ftdna I get 70% West and Central European, 27% East European, 3% trace elements that seem quite strange eg : less than 2% Asia Minor, less than 2% West Middle East, less than 2% Amerindian... quite possibly the trace elements are noise.

What is your full FTDNA ethnicity.

What are your Dodecad V3 Results.

[Leto]

Do you have some other Tajiks? It the only Central Asia nation which I don't see more than two or three kits.

2-3? Lol. I don't have any Tajiks at all. Only Afghans, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Karakalpaks, etc.

[Karol Klačansky]

Dodecad V3

#PopulationPercent
1West_European44.42
2Mediterranean24.79
3East_European18.04
4West_Asian9.48
5Southwest_Asian2.08
6Northeast_Asian1.02
7Palaeo_African0.12
8Neo_African0.06


1Slovenian (Xing)
2German (Dodecad)
3Hungarians (Behar)
4CEU (HapMap)
5N._European (Xing)


Well if we take this Dodecad V3 for example, despite what you have been saying about me having high east euro for a half Hungarian lets take a look at a few East Euro averages here from the Dodecad V3 spreadsheet.

Oszkar : East Euro = 18.04
Hungarian: East Euro = 26.40
Balkans : East Euro = 27.93
British Isles: East Euro = 3.40
German : East Euro = 16.88
Slovenian: East Euro = 22.40
Polish: East Euro = 44.34
BeloRussian: East Euro = 55.10


Looking at these E.E averages above , I am fitting in between German and Slovenian ... If you look at my single population Oracle results ...Slovenian,German,Hungarian.

Actually I find my overall Gedmatch results in terms of the single pop and some of the 2 pop , reasonably reflective of what I would expect of my background. In most of the 1 to 5 results, Hungarian-Germanic-
English, and some Slav like Slovenian-Croatian tends to be consistant. Its quite possible the Germanic component is a combo of "British-English" component and Central European component and not to mention my Ydna Haplogroup IM233.
The aspect that I agree is a bit unusual is DnaLand giving me 21% Balkan, and also East Balkan shows up in Gedmatch calculator k36: E.B= 5.80. As mentioned in the single population Gedmatch oracles between 1 to 5 I get some southern Slav populations like Slovenian-Croat, but no Serb or East Balkan pops between 1 to 5.

On ftdna I get no Southern Euro, on DnaLand I get 4.4% SW Euro.

On ftdna I get 70% West and Central European, 27% East European, 3% trace elements that seem quite strange eg : less than 2% Asia Minor, less than 2% West Middle East, less than 2% Amerindian... quite possibly the trace elements are noise.

What is your full FTDNA ethnicity.

What are your Dodecad V3 Results.

Don't feel like I'm attacking you man, just discussing your results. The DNA land results threw me off a bit. Your dodecad results are more inline with half eastern euros and half Western euros. I wouldn't take the dodecad v3 population table seriously though. It's completely off. Eastern euro percentages on dodecad aren't near as high for many of the populations. Lithuanians are said to reach 60 % I've never seen a dodecad results higher than 45% from Lithuanians. A Belarusians I know who scores 96% north Slavic on DNA land only scores 37% eastern euro on dodecad and not 50% which is said to be the average. Hungarians might score 26% eastern euro though, but the ones I've seen were usually less.

My v3 results
1West_European46.5
2East_European22.7
3Mediterranean20.96
4West_Asian6.66
5Southwest_Asian1.47
6Southeast_Asian0.68
7Northeast_Asian0.49
8East_African0.36
9Northwest_African0.19

[oszkar07]

Don't feel like I'm attacking you man, just discussing your results. The DNA land results threw me off a bit. Your dodecad results are more inline with half eastern euros and half Western euros. I wouldn't take the dodecad v3 population table seriously though. It's completely off. Eastern euro percentages on dodecad aren't near as high for many of the populations. Lithuanians are said to reach 60 % I've never seen a dodecad results higher than 45% from Lithuanians. A Belarusians I know who scores 96% north Slavic on DNA land only scores 37% eastern euro on dodecad and not 50% which is said to be the average. Hungarians might score 26% eastern euro though, but the ones I've seen were usually less.

My v3 results
1West_European46.5
2East_European22.7
3Mediterranean20.96
4West_Asian6.66
5Southwest_Asian1.47
6Southeast_Asian0.68
7Northeast_Asian0.49
8East_African0.36
9Northwest_African0.19

Its all good man I didnt feel like u were attacking.
You do make a point that I didnt really consider before, which is that for a half Hungarian half West European , my results for the Eastern European side are kinda high... might have something to do with all that Gulyas my Hungarian Grandmother fed me as a kid ...lol.
Perhaps this is just my individual DNA , like you said you have some variation between yourself and your brother.
It could be possible hypothetically for example that on K10 my father could get 37% E.E and Im getting around 30% .
As you said even my West European numbers on k10 were close to yours and you are a quarter Brit and Im half....so maybe this just comes down to individual dna hierachy.

Did you test with FTDNA before they updated their "My Origin's" recently. If so did any of your results change since the update ?

[Karol Klačansky]

Its all good man I didnt feel like u were attacking.
You do make a point that I didnt really consider before, which is that for a half Hungarian half West European , my results for the Eastern European side are kinda high... might have something to do with all that Gulyas my Hungarian Grandmother fed me as a kid ...lol.
Perhaps this is just my individual DNA , like you said you have some variation between yourself and your brother.
It could be possible hypothetically for example that on K10 my father could get 37% E.E and Im getting around 30% .
As you said even my West European numbers on k10 were close to yours and you are a quarter Brit and Im half....so maybe this just comes down to individual dna hierachy.

Did you test with FTDNA before they updated their "My Origin's" recently. If so did any of your results change since the update ?

No I didn't test with them before the eupdate. I just transfered my raw data from ancestry to them.

Yea ur eastern euro results are kind of high for being half, but that's cool u got the better genes lol. I'm kidding but what's interesting is that even on dodecad I have higher western euro than u. I have high eastern euro rates but I somehow seem to have inherited low med rates and just a huge block of north western euro DNA. It's funny because I'm very northern euro genetically but I'm not that light and many people think I'm Spanish or something.

Your father most likely has very low north western euro rates and very high balkan and north eastern euro rates, and I'm guessing your mom is maybe from South East England? And inherited more Germanic dna. The quarter of me that is British isles is mostly Scottish/Irish/ and English. So I most likely inherited a lot of Celtic DNA.

What are your eurogenes K13 results?

I've shared mine before but here they are again

#PopulationPercent
1Baltic38.31
2North_Atlantic36.08
3West_Med11.79
4East_Med8.05
5West_Asian1.45
6Amerindian1.19

[oszkar07]

No I didn't test with them before the eupdate. I just transfered my raw data from ancestry to them.

Yea ur eastern euro results are kind of high for being half, but that's cool u got the better genes lol. I'm kidding but what's interesting is that even on dodecad I have higher western euro than u. I have high eastern euro rates but I somehow seem to have inherited low med rates and just a huge block of north western euro DNA. It's funny because I'm very northern euro genetically but I'm not that light and many people think I'm Spanish or something.

Your father most likely has very low north western euro rates and very high balkan and north eastern euro rates, and I'm guessing your mom is maybe from South East England? And inherited more Germanic dna. The quarter of me that is British isles is mostly Scottish/Irish/ and English. So I most likely inherited a lot of Celtic DNA.

What are your eurogenes K13 results?
I've shared mine before but here they are again

#PopulationPercent
1Baltic38.31
2North_Atlantic36.08
3West_Med11.79
4East_Med8.05
5West_Asian1.45
6Amerindian1.19

I got a slightly higher North Atlantic than you here on k13, but you out Baltic me and my average for Baltic is just under the Hungarian average.
Its unfortunate that there is not any Slovak or even Czech samples among the averages on the spreadsheet, does Slovak cluster closely to Polish averages ?
What part of Slovakia are your family from?

K13
Population
North_Atlantic 38.91
Baltic 31.04
West_Med 12.32
West_Asian 4.70
East_Med 8.99
Red_Sea 1.68
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.29
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.07
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 4.22
2 East_German 4.51
3 Hungarian 6.5
4 West_German 9.29
5 North_German 9.67
6 South_Dutch 10.06
7 North_Swedish 10.71
8 Swedish 11.21
9 Croatian 11.88
10 Danish 11.94
11 North_Dutch 12.25
12 South_Polish 12.64
13 Norwegian 12.91
14 Southeast_English 13.09
15 Serbian 13.32
16 Orcadian 13.64
17 Moldavian 13.9
18 Southwest_Finnish 14.27
19 French 14.29
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.5

Baltic Averages K13

Oszkar = 31.04
Hungarian = 31.85
East German = 32.19
Croatian = 36.11
Irish = 24.02
Southeast English = 23.27
Austrian = 29.87

[Karol Klačansky]

I got a slightly higher North Atlantic than you here on k13, but you out Baltic me and my average for Baltic is just under the Hungarian average.
Its unfortunate that there is not any Slovak or even Czech samples among the averages on the spreadsheet, does Slovak cluster closely to Polish averages ?
What part of Slovakia are your family from?

K13
Population
North_Atlantic38.91
Baltic31.04
West_Med12.32
West_Asian4.70
East_Med8.99
Red_Sea1.68
South_Asian-
East_Asian-
Siberian2.29
Amerindian-
Oceanian0.07
Northeast_African-
Sub-Saharan

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Austrian4.22
2East_German4.51
3Hungarian6.5
4West_German9.29
5North_German9.67
6South_Dutch10.06
7North_Swedish10.71
8Swedish11.21
9Croatian11.88
10Danish11.94
11North_Dutch12.25
12South_Polish12.64
13Norwegian12.91
14Southeast_English13.09
15Serbian13.32
16Orcadian13.64
17Moldavian13.9
18Southwest_Finnish14.27
19French14.29
20Ukrainian_Lviv14.5

Baltic Averages K13

Oszkar = 31.04
Hungarian = 31.85
East German = 32.19
Croatian = 36.11
Irish = 24.02
Southeast English = 23.27
Austrian = 29.87

Slovaks cluster closest to south poles. Though they are kind of an intermediate between the Polish average and Croatians. Moravians and many Czechs do as well but Bohemians are an intermediate between south poles and austrians/east Germans.

My father is from a village between nitra and Topoľčany, so western slovakia. My mother's family is from far west Slovakia.

Here are my populations in K13

East_German @ 8.596087
2 South_Polish @ 8.699465
3 Hungarian @ 10.036150
4 Austrian @ 10.831338
5 Polish @ 11.011834
6 Southwest_Finnish @ 11.235279
7 Ukrainian @ 11.254989
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 11.533505
9 Croatian @ 11.708292
10 North_Swedish @ 12.414757
11 Belorussian @ 14.338272
12 Estonian_Polish @ 14.669163
13 Russian_Smolensk @ 14.709253
14 Southwest_Russian @ 15.238096
15 Finnish @ 15.606089
16 Moldavian @ 15.725510
17 Estonian @ 15.991500
18 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 16.253641
19 Swedish @ 16.545988
20 North_German @ 17.119804

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian +50% West_German @ 5.046282


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian +25% Southwest_Finnish +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.581734


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Belorussian + Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.581734
2 Belorussian + Lithuanian + North_Swedish + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.612438

[blondbeast]

Population
South Asian 1.43
Caucasus 6.71
Southwest Asian -
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.44
Siberian 3.02
Mediterranean 6.83
East Asian -
West African -
East European 54.10
North Atlantic 27.46

[Erronkari]