The void of reason

[Austin]

Europe hasn't emphasized assimilation of it's immigrants as America has. Europe openly advocated multiculturalism in a way that allowed immigrants to essentially stay immigrants forever, never really becoming actual Europeans due to not being socially 'forced' to assimilate. In America this would be an exception, in Europe this is the norm. It is easy to see why. Europe had no civil rights movement. This is obvious in how Germany views Turkish immigrants as 'temporary workers' even though they have been there 40+ years. Europe see's immigrants as temporary or separate, not a group that should be merged with. In this respect Europeans are much more racially based, even if subconsciously, than Americans.

What interests me most about Europe today is that it has liberal immigration policies to fill it's own population growth. Europeans don't have enough children anymore to recreate themselves. You cannot allow mass immigration for population/economic growth without an assimilation program without expecting eventual chaos. I wonder what Europe will do because it is clear that unlike in America, in Europe many of the immigrants don't even desire to be more European but instead want to retain their culture (ironically in part due to Europe emphasizing this). I think Europe will be very interesting in the future because of this reality.

[Guapo]

Yes, so we can all combat islam together.

[Svanhild]

The idea of national unions exasperates me. I'm all for disbanding the European Union and an union of EU and USA is the last what I want and what we need. What we need is a rediscovery of strong national states who work together on specific problems but remain fully independent at large.

[Great Dane]

How about an United Nation States of North America and Europe?

No. It would be a step towards one-world government. But not as bad an idea as merging Canda and the United States with Mexico or expanding the European Union to include parts of North Africa and the Middle East.

Canada and the United States might make a good fit. Add in the United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand for a Anglosphere federation. I don't know about Ireland.

Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland for a Nordic commonwealth.

Germany + Austria sounds good.

Keep in mind that even federations that seem to make sense do not work out. Ireland left the United Kingdom and Scotland might leave. Yugoslavia brokeup. There is currently a seperatist movement in Spain among Basque and Catalunians. The United States had a major civil war when there was much less ethnic diversity then there is today.

[Grumpy Cat]

Umm no, the last thing we in Canada need are arrogant American rednecks and equally arrogant Eurotrash telling us what to do and how to live and think.

We Canadians are too nice so I know noone would speak up.

Btw I differentiate between redneck and American and Eurotrash and European.

[Sol Invictus]

Canada and the United States might make a good fit. Add in the United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand for a Anglosphere federation. I don't know about Ireland.

Sure if such an idea had the interests of preservationists at heart, which the current proponents of a north american union, european union etc are not. Besides, a good portion of Canadians do not fall under the Anglosphere, like myself, nor would I want to be part of one. There is too much cultural differences between us I wouldn't want to have seen destroyed.

[Great Dane]

Sure if such an idea had the interests of preservationists at heart, which the current proponents of a north american union, european union etc are not. Besides, a good portion of Canadians do not fall under the Anglosphere, like myself, nor would I want to be part of one. There is too much cultural differences between us I wouldn't want to have seen destroyed.

It might not good for French Canadians but it would be good for English-Speaking Americans and Canadians of northwestern European origins.

History shows that confederation with the Anglo-Canada has worked well for the preservation of French-Canadians. I don't see why it wouldn't continue to work in a Commonwealth of North America - USA + Canada. But if neccessary we could let Quebec have limited autonomy. Just as long as Quebec doesn't try to become part of France.

[Piparskeggr]

Nein, danke.

[Aemma]

A what?

Ixnae on the UNSNAE, shall we?

[Guapo]

A what?

Ixnae

Pig Latin version of nix; possibly the only Pig Latin phrase to enter common English besides amscray. Ixnay and amscray were used widely in "The Three Stooges" shorts, possibly the main source of popularity for the words.