The world without Arab and Turkish incursions

[Egyptian]

I think any Egyptian should find Coptic interesting to learn to a certain extent. It's one of their ancestral languages, one of their roots. The reason they speak Masric Arabic is because of the Coptic substratum. Similar to how Europeans learn Latin and especially Romance speakers should find it interesting.

Sure, every Egyptian speaks Arabic today, but knowing one's roots is never a bad idea in my opinion. No tabula rasa mentality, but rather a curious mind.

coptic in egyptian alphabet ok no problem .. but with greek alphabet? we aren't greeks.

[The.Mask]

coptic in egyptian alphabet ok no problem .. but with greek alphabet? we aren't greeks.

You are aravbs, yes, in language and culture. However neither modern greeks are '' greek'' but a mix of different nations mingled together 180 years ago, such as albanians, vlachs, slavsn , romans, armenians, orthodox ottomans etc.

This '' nation'' has albanian Fustanella as national dress ( afaik a shorter gayer version), ottoman buzuki as national musical instrument and want to claims albanian polyphony and dances also.

[The.Mask]

Yes, it's very true. Greek knowledge and science greatly have contributed to the rise of learning in the Islamic world especially during the Abbasid period. Hell, the one who designed Baghdad which would become the largest city in the world till the Mongol and Turkic invasion in the 13th century was a Byzantine Greek(I forgot his name though). Even the Caliphs of Baghdad had established ties with the Byzantines in exchange for books and Greek scientists and philosophers to come to his city and share their knowledge in the house of wisdom.

You should use the right term that is Eastern Roman Empire and not '' Byzant''. This term Byzant was foreign to eastern romans themselves who called themselves nothing but Romans and this term was used for the first time by a german historian in 1550, which is wrong and historically inaccurate.

Most of the Eastern Roman scholars or '' byzantine '' scholars, officials, poiticians were Romans without any specific origin. For example the greatest emperor and general of the eastern roman empire were both Illyrians, Justinian the Great and Belizarus .

The dynasties were all illyrian and some thracian till 620 AD, when some armenians came into power, than anatolian emperors came into power and after than we do not have any origin mentioned.

The Komnenos, are thought to be from the albanian city of Durres, and many albanian noble men who were very linked to the roman empire held this surname also, while the last dynasty, the Peliologos, are thought to be germanic in heritage.

It is true that ancient roman and ancient greek knowledge helped a lot the arabs during their good age, but some credits are to be given to the arabs also, not everything they got it from the ancient world.

By the 13th century, this ancient knowledge was widespread and was not confined to the eastern romans.

[The.Mask]

Maghreb was independant of ottomans it was regency and yes they were allies because they had nothing to loose the soldiers they have sent (your ancestors you call mercenairies because you're too ashamed to be a subhuman shit) weren't turks
You post the name of a albanian corsair, do you know what it means at least ?
Albanians Corsairs = stupid slaves who steal west europeans boats for their turkish boss (really !)
It's not a shame to be black, the big disgrace is to do all the crazy things to be like your oppressors and serve those who consider you subhumans that's why people make fun of your people so you try to compare yourself to others but even like that you still hate yourself and invent history
If you're clever you will just look in front of you and accept reality : turkish and jews are superiors while albanians and palestinians are loosers

Little negroid cheap prostitute, you come from a shithole such as sudan, where people get killed and raped daily, you are negroids and mulattoes raped by arabs and forced by arabs to keep their culture and their language. this shithole called Sudan until it was under albanian administration did ok, but after niggers took over it turned it into what it is today.

North africans are mongrels and mulattoes and by definition slaves and bastards. north africa was conquered and raped masively by arabs, that it was conquered by Ottomans and it was not independent ( for your information, the invasion of north africa was done by albanian soldiers). aFter that it was conquered and raped by europans for 200-300 years and now you dirty beggars immigrate in europan countries like subhumans you are.

Albanian Carsairs such as Barbarrosa brothers were free men that were making career. some of them became great ottoman admirals, some other mere mercenaries that fought for money, one thing they have in common, they enslaved many north African mongrels and mulattoes such as you.

As i said cheap maghrebu negroid prostitute, albanians were very well paid mercenaries and albanians in general were very much respected all over the ottoman empire. The albanian power in the ottoman empire was so big, that albanians overthrew the sultan from power in 1730 for example. you as a negroid from sudan are not able to comprehend this.

All what i state above are cold facts.

As for comparing jews and palestinians, with turks and albanians is silly and idiotic, because you are a highly complexed negroid from sudan, because while jews conquered and gencodice Palestinians everyday , Albanians and Turks live 500 km away from each other and have excellent diplomatic relationships.

go to save some sudanese negroid children from death now.

[Kamal900]

You should use the right term that is Eastern Roman Empire and not '' Byzant''. This term Byzant was foreign to eastern romans themselves who called themselves nothing but Romans and this term was used for the first time by a german historian in 1550, which is wrong and historically inaccurate.

Most of the Eastern Roman scholars or '' byzantine '' scholars, officials, poiticians were Romans without any specific origin. For example the greatest emperor and general of the eastern roman empire were both Illyrians, Justinian the Great and Belizarus .

The dynasties were all illyrian and some thracian till 620 AD, when some armenians came into power, than anatolian emperors came into power and after than we do not have any origin mentioned.

The Komnenos, are thought to be from the albanian city of Durres, and many albanian noble men who were very linked to the roman empire held this surname also, while the last dynasty, the Peliologos, are thought to be germanic in heritage.

It is true that ancient roman and ancient greek knowledge helped a lot the arabs during their good age, but some credits are to be given to the arabs also, not everything they got it from the ancient world.

By the 13th century, this ancient knowledge was widespread and was not confined to the eastern romans.

Sounds reasonable. I mean, I think that the Byzantine empire was more or less like how America has emphasis on Anglo-Saxon culture and language even though the English are not the only people that are living in America but other peoples that live in the country who aren't English descent which makes the country a diverse country with a common nationality or something. I think it's also true when the Levantine Christians are Greek Orthodox Christians even though they are not ethnic Greeks, and they have no Greek admixture in their genepool.

[The.Mask]

Sounds reasonable. I mean, I think that the Byzantine empire was more or less like how America has emphasis on Anglo-Saxon culture and language even though the English are not the only people that are living in America but other peoples that live in the country who aren't English descent which makes the country a diverse country with a common nationality or something. I think it's also true when the Levantine Christians are Greek Orthodox Christians even though they are not ethnic Greeks, and they have no Greek admixture in their genepool.

America is a mish mash of cultures that emphasises on consumerism and globalism rather than anything else.

the eastern roman empire was a multi cultural empire whose capital was also build by another great Illyrian emperor, Constantine the Great. It had a roman identity and roman state structures.

Orthodoxy is the pure continuation of christianity and levantine christians are greek orthodox because they used probably koine greek in church, not because they have admixture.

Most Orthodox Albanians were '' greek orthodox'' also until the creation of the Independent albanian Orthodox Church in 1922 because koine greek was the official clergy language.

[The.Mask]

LOL! Name me one world-shifting Turkish invention or school of thought.

For the sake of the debate, just mention me one portugese world wide influencing philosopher or scientists.

You were free of muslim joke since 1250 or so, went thought Renaissance and industrial age and had 600 years to develop science and schools of thoughts, tell me one.

Portugal is a country which has immense foreign national dept and lives though the money of EU, while Turkey is a huge geopolitical power and player and sovereign nation with high production unlike portugal.

[Kamal900]

America is a mish mash of cultures that emphasises on consumerism and globalism rather than anything else.

the eastern roman empire was a multi cultural empire whose capital was also build by another great Illyrian emperor, Constantine the Great. It had a roman identity and roman state structures.

Orthodoxy is the pure continuation of christianity and levantine christians are greek orthodox because they used probably koine greek in church, not because they have admixture.

Most Orthodox Albanians were '' greek orthodox'' also until the creation of the Independent albanian Orthodox Church in 1922 because koine greek was the official clergy language.

It's also the same as how the Coptic pope granted independence to the Ethiopian church in the 50's and later on the Eritrean church got it's independence from the Ethiopian church in the 90's. Yes, Constantine the Great was an Illyrian born in today's Serbia or something(the times where there were no Slavs).

[The.Mask]

It's also the same as how the Coptic pope granted independence to the Ethiopian church in the 50's and later on the Eritrean church got it's independence from the Ethiopian church in the 90's. Yes, Constantine the Great was an Illyrian born in today's Serbia or something(the times where there were no Slavs).

Constantine was born in the ancient Dardanian city of Ulpiana ( in todays central Kosovo) but was raised in Nish, which is part of serbia today.


Btw, there were albanian in Nish until 1875, when the region was granted to serbia by the western powers and albanian had to retreat and leave their lands.

southern serbs have lots of albanian Ev-13, J2b2 and R1b-L23 which indicates their origin.

[Leos]

When the Arabs conquested the Levant there was barely any Jew left, they all had been deported by the Romans centuries earlier. They only started migrating back during the Ottoman Empire.

Also Phoenicia hadn't existed for centuries by the time of the Arab conquest, by then the population was mostly Assyrian/Aramaic speaker and Greeks like the rest of the Levant. Anyways if wasn't for the Arabs or Turks the ME would've been divided between Greeks and Persians as already stated. Modern Kurds would probably not even exist as a people.