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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    A bit of a broad catch-all, don't you think? I think it's more complicated than that.
    I suppose you could say it's an alliance of Zionists, Military industrial complex, Neocons, etc.

    it's a bad thing anyways.

    I'm saddened with Trump's decisions here. Honestly I do not think he is a bad man, they are probably threatening his life or something. The secret service is very ruthless. I think he came in wanting to change the country but like all politicians seems to fall short once they are there..it isn't so much that they were always part of the establishment or conspiring against the American people form the start, but that when they finally get elected the deep state puts a gun to their head.

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    The US & UK and the EU act like they're the boss of the UN and NATO, and make most of the wars in other nations. A lot of our politicians, foreign secretaries, and leaders, have been obnoxious and arrogant, and behave like cowboys ruling over the planet.

    For example;- it's legit and ok for the west to have WMD's.. but it's not ok for other nations such as North Korea to have WMD's in their own defence without being condemned in the west for it? (There's only one nation in the world that's ever actually used WMD's on others if I remember correctly - and that was the USA on Japan.)

    I don't think any other nation has resorted to using atomic or nuclear bombs to wipe-out entire cities of people. I don't see Russia or China galavanting around the world making wars with everyone else. It's usually the US & UK who start a lot of the wars and the politicians don't care when young soldiers return with half a face left and severe injuries, and they don't care when we get bombed and attacked back while they're sitting safely in their private jets and surrounded by security protection. I never voted for this government either.

    It would be nice to see a more balanced world in the future with a balance of world powers, with no sole nation being the superpower bossing everyone else around.
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    It would be nice to see a more balanced world in the future with a balance of world powers, with no sole nation being the superpower bossing everyone else around.
    Power will never balance another power, just like using fire to extinguish another fire, we have been misled by communist propaganda that a multipolar world will lead to peace. We really need to look closer to these dictators history, can these murderers balance the west? The true balance is to accept US as a sole world-power, let people from diverse backgrounds assist american democracy cooperatively. This is the only to peace, trust me, Russia and China will shatter the whole world into pieces if we allow them to get their way to their supposed Rise or Revival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Things like meddling in other countries' affairs; regime change, sanctions, etc. Along with this comes a huge dose of hypocrisy, too.
    If the West wasn't leading the world, you could be damn sure someone else would be trying to do the same thing. And if there were multiple empires that were more evenly matched, the chances of world war would be greater because the chances of victory for each side would be better. As it stands, no-one comes close to the US-led Western empire, or whatever you want to call it, in terms of imperial plunder and global power projection. Russia has lots of strategic nukes, but domesday weapons aren't very useful in this game. Yes, there is a lot of deceit and hypocrisy, propaganda, rhetoric, manipulation, not to mention atrocities, war crimes and crimes against humanity, but I think it's pretty well established that we are never going to get out of the game of empire. If it's not us, it would be someone else, and that someone else could be a lot worse than us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ♥ Lily ♥ View Post
    The US & UK and the EU act like they're the boss of the UN and NATO, and make most of the wars in other nations. A lot of our politicians, foreign secretaries, and leaders, have been obnoxious and arrogant, and behave like cowboys ruling over the planet.
    lol... of course the US is the boss of NATO. Haven't you figured that out yet? NATO is the core of the American Empire. This is the post WWII setup, it is still in place and it works. You need to accept that fact and move on.

    For example;- it's legit and ok for the west to have WMD's.. but it's not ok for other nations such as North Korea to have WMD's in their own defence without being condemned in the west for it? (There's only one nation in the world that's ever actually used WMD's on others if I remember correctly - and that was the USA on Japan.)
    The most powerful nations in the world get to enjoy certain privileges, like telling others what they can and can't do. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. You need to drop the dreamy idealism, have a good dose of pragmatism and see the world for how it really is. This is all about power. It always has been.

    It would be nice to see a more balanced world in the future with a balance of world powers, with no sole nation being the superpower bossing everyone else around.
    No, we saw what happened the last time the world had more balance. During the Cold War, the US and USSR tore multiple countries to pieces in their struggles for domination and influence. Before that, the British Empire and Germany had the worst wars ever - twice in 30 years. Balanced powers probably increase the chance of war, because the two (or more) sides see each other as evenly matched and the chances of victory for any side are at or near 50/50. It seems to work better when they are smaller, like balkanized states, and perhaps in the Persian Gulf with the Arabs vs Iran.... but when the greatest powers in the world are "balanced", it means war for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppean snek View Post
    I suppose you could say it's an alliance of Zionists, Military industrial complex, Neocons, etc.

    it's a bad thing anyways.

    I'm saddened with Trump's decisions here. Honestly I do not think he is a bad man, they are probably threatening his life or something. The secret service is very ruthless. I think he came in wanting to change the country but like all politicians seems to fall short once they are there..it isn't so much that they were always part of the establishment or conspiring against the American people form the start, but that when they finally get elected the deep state puts a gun to their head.
    Yes indeed. If there was anyone in America who I hoped would give the deep-state a bloody nose it was Donald Trump. But it really seems like they have already "tamed" him to further their wicked agendas. Very sad indeed. What can we hope for now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexachordia View Post
    Power will never balance another power, just like using fire to extinguish another fire, we have been misled by communist propaganda that a multipolar world will lead to peace. We really need to look closer to these dictators history, can these murderers balance the west? The true balance is to accept US as a sole world-power, let people from diverse backgrounds assist american democracy cooperatively. This is the only to peace, trust me, Russia and China will shatter the whole world into pieces if we allow them to get their way to their supposed Rise or Revival.
    My Chinese friend, don't fall for the lie of American exceptionalism please. It's not all sunshine and roses over here in the West.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N1019 View Post
    If the West wasn't leading the world, you could be damn sure someone else would be trying to do the same thing. And if there were multiple empires that were more evenly matched, the chances of world war would be greater because the chances of victory for each side would be better. As it stands, no-one comes close to the US-led Western empire, or whatever you want to call it, in terms of imperial plunder and global power projection. Russia has lots of strategic nukes, but domesday weapons aren't very useful in this game. Yes, there is a lot of deceit and hypocrisy, propaganda, rhetoric, manipulation, not to mention atrocities, war crimes and crimes against humanity, but I think it's pretty well established that we are never going to get out of the game of empire. If it's not us, it would be someone else, and that someone else could be a lot worse than us.
    Well I would disagree, I don't think too much power in one corner of the world is good for anyone. You must realise these people with all the power can become corrupted, and abuse their power (as they have done in Libya, which is now a failed state -- before Western intervention it was the most prosperous country in Africa). I think a multipolar world is best, and different cultures can stimulate one another and bring different influences which can be positive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    My Chinese friend, don't fall for the lie of American exceptionalism please. It's not all sunshine and roses over here in the West.
    I Know, I just do not want a liar to tell he can lie better by discrediting another liar, we all know the west lies sometimes but nobody cares about communists also lie too, if it is not deliberate blindness I would call it apathy. I believe that people do not have to choose between communism and capitalism, if you insist.

    Democracy opens up the whole darkness of politics and its intricate vested interests, it is the nature of politics, not that the west is uniquely politically corrupt, I am tired of crucifying the west to make all the fat dictators look good. Do anyone really wish to play Jesus for communist pigs? Communism is not in anyway more benign than western system just because it forces people to smile or cry, please no more anointment for communism. I will not accept this holy baby however vilification of the west, the more people try to do it the more I blame humanity as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Well I would disagree, I don't think too much power in one corner of the world is good for anyone. You must realise these people with all the power can become corrupted, and abuse their power (as they have done in Libya, which is now a failed state -- before Western intervention it was the most prosperous country in Africa). I think a multipolar world is best, and different cultures can stimulate one another and bring different influences which can be positive.
    They are all corrupt, the little countries being fucked by the US included. They all have their own corrupt power structures in the territories they control. They just can't project power very far. If they could, I'm sure they would, which would lead to the situation described below.

    I don't think a multipolar world is much better than what we have now. The notion of multiple powers balancing each other into peace and stability sounds great, but in practice the results aren't that much better. During the bipolar Cold War era, the two sides tore several countries apart, probably costing several million lives. The only thing they didn't do is take each other on directly - much. They don't give a damn how many innocents get caught up in their competition. It's just acceptable collateral damage.
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