Turkey - Erdogan destroyed Ataturk's Republic & Democracy?

[Robocop]

I am convinced the EU will cease to exist anyway. Not like Turkey was every going to be allowed in though. Nothing lost there.

I dont think Turkey's NATO membership will he called into question, if anything, in the short term, I think the US will align more strongly with Turkey on some issues due to Russia's attempts to reassert hardpower in formerly Soviet controlled areas.

USA will never risk anything with Russia over Turkey, never.

Russian's "natural" area of influence is now entire Middle East (not including Israel) and Central Asia. For Russians that area is now what is Latin America to United States, and to be sure of that, Russia will have to get rid off Turkey as relevant player in that area, with all means, it will happen, either with arming Kurds outside and inside of Turkey, either with Diplomacy and Embargo (along with Iran) or all this togethar, or..., war.

Nevermind Turkey is great military power, it is no match for Russia, not to mention with all Russian allies around Turkey, I don't expect Russians to attack Turkey directly, that is like the last measure, but it will be attacked indirectly in next decade, just wait and see.

And this is not just EU excuse now, this what happened in Turkey is alibi for Russia as well.

And if you think USA will risk ANYTHING over Turkey when it comes about Russia, you're wrong there friend.

[DarknessWin]

This is maybe a chance we all can use to get Constantinople back



Now all of us Christians have an alibi to do it

All what we need now is that Turkey somehow piss off Russia, which even if they doesn't Russia will invent somethin in next decade, and we are on our way to Reconquista

Man , you are the reason i love Croatia so much nowadays
Hope you and Serbia built your relationship soon

[Voskos]

I guess there's nothing undemocratic in wanting to bring back the death penalty and things like that.

ignorant, yesterday's referendum had nothing to do with the death penalty.

[wvwvw]

ignorant, yesterday's referendum had nothing to do with the death penalty.

It had everything to do with giving Erdogan dictactorial powers to reinstall the death penalty.

Turkey referendum: Erdogan could bring back death penalty after winning vote
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...stanbul-Ankara

Erdoğan says gov't should reinstate death penalty after April 16 referendum

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has said he believes the government should submit a draft on reinstating the death penalty in the event that the constitutional amendments are approved in the upcoming referendum on April 16.

“After April 16, with God’s permission, the draft would be brought to parliament. If it passes in parliament, I will approve it,” Erdoğan said at a rally in the eastern province of Erzurum on April 12.

Although the death penalty has not been in effect since 1984, Turkey abolished the capital punishment in 2004 as a part of reforms to ease Turkey’s accession into the European Union. The move was initiated by the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) and supported by the main opposition Republican People’s Party (CHP).

But debates on reinstating the capital punishment were brought to discussion after the July 15, 2016, coup attempt. Erdoğan vows the people’s demand for the death penalty would be met. Calls for the death penalty were among the most recited chants in public rallies.

“April 16 will be the day to decide that,” he said.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/erd...&NewsCatID=338

[Nebuchadnezzar]

You see here's, what's quite bothersome with such statements made by the EU.

Turkey has been mudwrestling the european union for a membership since 2002, at a time when the European Union, seem'd to be the most attractive and promising venture to ever be bestown upon the continent, a far cry from it's dismal status of greek debt, immigration problem, terrorism and brexit as the way it is today. Turkey with it's sheer size, infastructure, cheap labour and a free movement of goods and people, wanted to set course for such an event at that time, to secure growth and propserity

The european union have had the initiation process since 2002, and nomatter what Turkey did, it was somehow not suffecient enough.

In reality the european union never wanted or wasn't practically interested in Turkey, and even if it did, Turkey would undergo drastic reforms transforming into another eurocuck state stripped out of any independant political agenda, and not to mention the "Kurdish" issue, which is a big deal-breaker for Turkey.

So let's not kid ourselvs here, the marriage would've lasted as long that of a rich saudi prince and a polish mail bride, thus Turkey is forced to look into new ventures and alliances to secure it's strategic position on the black sea and mediterranean.

Having said that, as much of a staunch opponant that I am of cuntogan, Europe and it's union have no buisness in interfering with a country's interior affairs, as a mean to practice their bourgouise arrogance.

[Antimage]

This is maybe a chance we all can use to get Constantinople back



Now all of us Christians have an alibi to do it

All what we need now is that Turkey somehow piss off Russia, which even if they doesn't Russia will invent somethin in next decade, and we are on our way to Reconquista

What for? If constantinople and turkish trace belonged to Greece from now on, greeks would become a minority in their own country(City of Istambul alone has 14 mil people, Greece have 10.5)
There's nothing to gain from such conflict, only to lose.

[Dandelion]

The european union have had the initiation process since 2002, and nomatter what Turkey did, it was somehow not suffecient enough.

Well, Turkey was never at a state it was ready for such admission. I agree, though, the idea of Turkey in the EU is naive to even pretend it to be workable unless Turkey was different than it ever was. It's certainly not a story of Turkey being fully compatible and Euros being blind and bigoted.

Being loose with the law is dangerous. This is why we allowed Greece in the Euro-zone, and why they're fucked over to this day. We allowed Greece in the Euro-zone, because Germany itself didn't qualify to the Maastricht criteria (to ensure the countries forming a monetary union were economically alike before starting on the europroject together) with all disastrous consequences we have today.

Italy and Belgium neither qualified to those criteria btw, but the ECB turned a blind eye because the debt was decreasing at an adequate rate anyway. Once in the club, however, the belt got loosened.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Well, Turkey was never at a state it was ready for such admission. I agree, though, the idea of Turkey in the EU is naive to even pretend it to be workable unless Turkey was different than it ever was. It's certainly not a story of Turkey being fully compatible and Euros being blind and bigoted.

We're already witnessing a conflict of interest between eastern european countries (Poland, Czech republic, Hungary), that seems to be rowing against the stream of the bureaucratic establishment (Germany,France).

So you could only imagine, what a turkish entering in the EU have resulted in, Turkey did go on it's about meeting some of the EU regulations, but there are things that are too pricey to just give up, for a membership of the EU.

It's as clear sunshine, that Erdogan have no interest in joining the EU whatsoever, and what enthusiasim Turkey had for an EU membership, was being put in a coffin, for an initial burrial ceremony, that would encapsulate bringing back the death senteces, and voilá, Turkey have entered North-Korea mode, which is again neither non of my buisness and nor is it the EU.

[frankhammer]

Well, Turkey was never at a state it was ready for such admission. I agree, though, the idea of Turkey in the EU is naive to even pretend it to be workable unless Turkey was different than it ever was. It's certainly not a story of Turkey being fully compatible and Euros being blind and bigoted.

Being loose with the law is dangerous. This is why we allowed Greece in the Euro-zone, and why they're fucked over to this day. We allowed Greece in the Euro-zone, because Germany itself didn't qualify to the Maastricht criteria (to ensure the countries forming a monetary union were economically alike before starting on the europroject together) with all disastrous consequences we have today.

Italy and Belgium neither qualified to those criteria btw, but the ECB turned a blind eye because the debt was decreasing at an aqequate rate anyway. Once in the club, however, the belt got loosened.

Germany is the standard you slackers should be emulating. Instead you hide behind bureaucracy and shortened the work week, then gave yourselves more holidays.

And interfering in a nations affairs is what the EU is about. Turkey got to experience that firsthand without even joining.

[Dandelion]

Germany is the standard you slackers should be emulating. Instead you hide behind bureaucracy and shortened the work week, then gave yourselves more holidays.

And interfering in a nations affairs is what the EU is about. Turkey got to experience that firsthand without even joining.

Laziness isn't so much the issue. It's corruption. Also, we aren't like Italy or Greece in that department. I'm neither sure Germany is the best example. That's a very popular gut idea.