Northeast Sicily by y-dna: entirely lacking historical "northern" inputs? Chart provided.

[Kelmendasi]

Probably the original natives of the island who would have probably been of Neolithic descent. Or related to Minoans and Cypriots.

Probably

[Sikeliot]

What is worth noting is autosomally the North African is higher in the west (both northwest and southwest) of the island and low in the east especially the northeast. So this could be the Carthaginian input.

[Kelmendasi]

What is worth noting is autosomally the North African is higher in the west (both northwest and southwest) of the island and low in the east especially the northeast. So this could be the Carthaginian input.

True but Levantine should also be high if it is Carthaginian influence as that's were they originated from. North African could also been brought by Arabs of Berber or Moor origin

[Percivalle]

J1 is also from the Phoenicians/Carthaginians not only Arabs as it pre-dates the Arabs but they did absorb it and did spread it with their raids in Sicily but still a good amount I would say is from the Phoenicians/Carthaginians.

"Most J1 Europeans belong to the J1-Z1828 branch, which is also found in Anatolia and the Caucasus, but not in Arabic countries. "

Most of J1 in Italy and Sicily dates back to the Bronze Age and has nothing to do with Phoenicians/Carthaginians and Arabs.

Among Bosnian Serbs J*/J1 are 3,5%, in Moldova J*/J1 is 4%, in Hungary J*/J1 is 3%, in Italy J*/J1 is 3%, in Greece J*/J1 is 3% (in Crete is 5%), in Portugal J*/J1 is 3%, in Albania J*/J1 is 2%, in France J*/J1 is 1.5% (Midi-Pyrénées J*/J1 is 4%). In Sicily J*/J1 is 3.5%, in Sardinia J*/J1 is 4%.

Etruscans could of carried it as well but I doubt the J1 in Sicily is from them

Etruscans have nothing to do with the spread of J1, J1 is more common in non-Etruscan areas rather than in Etruscan areas (in Etruscan areas R1b is the dominant Y-DNA).

[Rethel]

3. R1a (which could be either from Normans, Greeks, or even older Indo-European settlement) is lower than the rest of the island.

If I remeber correctly, there were some Slavs on muslim
Sycylia (or maybe it was Sardinia, no, rather Sicily).

[Sikeliot]

If I remeber correctly, there were some Slavs on muslim
Sycylia (or maybe it was Sardinia, no, rather Sicily).

Too few to make any large impact. The northeast European input on the island is very slow. But either way if we measure it by R1b and I2, then it is again absent in NE Sicily.

[Rethel]

Too few to make any large impact.

It depends how much did they multiply. It does not matter
how much they were at the beginning. Couple thousands of
people then could give hundrets of thousands, even millions
people today - could, but it not means, they did.
And I see, that R1a is very equally spread.

The northeast European input on the island is very slow. But either way if we measure it by R1b and I2, then it is again absent in NE Sicily.

Interesting is, that I2, I1 and R1b is mainly around Palermo.

[Sikeliot]

Interesting is, that I2, I1 and R1b is mainly about Palermo.

R1b is mostly Trapani actually. R1b increases as you move west. The thing with Palermo is, many of their subclades of J2 and E1b1b are the MENA subclades, while those in eastern Sicily are Neolithic and mediated through the Anatolia --> Balkans --> Italy route.

So autosomally some Palermitans can come out quite MENA but in terms of haplogroup you see they have much more foreign input of all kinds.

What is also interesting is the inland west of the island, like Caltanissetta. They are intermediate between east and west Sicily and while they have low foreign input from North Europe, they have more MENA input than the east from recent times, and high haplogroup G, from a Caucasus-based wave of migration in the Bronze Age.

[Sikeliot]

In fact going by I1 and R1b, even Calabria has seen more migration from the north than has NE Sicily.

[Voskos]

calabria has highest R1b L23 frequency in southeast europe I believe.