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    Quote Originally Posted by caviezel View Post
    yeah, I almost forgot that South Tyroleans indipendentists killed 829 people in terrorist attacks... oh wait, no those were Basque terrorists from the Eta, my bad...
    anyway back on topic, can you confirm that Southern Navarra was Basque speaking until 1600s and then switched to spanish?
    You mean Castillian and many of those Basque terrorists tend to be ironically mixed ethnically. You can tell by looking at the the paternal and maternal surnames of their members. Some such as Jose Ignacio de Juana Chaos were born in the Basques lands but doesn't have any Basque ancestry. The ETA like the IRA are Marxist inspired and so they don't emphasis ethnicity as much as one would think (the IRA would have gladly excepted their Protestant neighbors in Northern Ireland who are of British origin (predominately Scottish). I only took a moment of my time to add these interesting tidbits because of your obvious and sincere interest in the Basques and Basque lands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMuller View Post
    They sound French.
    How about Navarense last names?
    But they are not french, they are only found in Aquitanie, and people with these surnames are genetically similar to basques.
    And a typical Navarrese surname would be Ruiz de Alda, Mina, Argaya, Espoz, Aldave, Nagore, etc
    You should know one thing though. The Basque language actually doesn't exist as a uniform language, there is many dialects which can be very different between them. The navarrese dialects are quite different from the Vizcayan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibericus View Post
    No you don't get it. The whole Aquitanians (not just french basques) are ethnically similar to basques/navarrese/northern spaniards, and they are Gascons (Occitans), and their surnames are not basque.
    the rest of the world thinks Gascons are French and the moment you start making territorial or ethnic advances over South-Western France is the moment you sound retarded.
    Going after your logic French Basques are 100% French just like Spaniard Basques are 100% Spaniards.
    gotcha motherfuckers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by caviezel View Post
    the rest of the world thinks Gascons are French
    The rest of world think Basques are Spaniards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibericus View Post
    But they are not french, they are only found in Aquitanie, and people with these surnames are genetically similar to basques.
    Quote Originally Posted by caviezel View Post
    the rest of the world thinks Gascons are French and the moment you start making territorial or ethnic advances over South-Western France is the moment you sound retarded.
    Going after your logic French Basques are 100% French just like Spaniard Basques are 100% Spaniards.
    gotcha motherfuckers!
    The Basque names were often strongly deformed.

    For example, in Aquitaine, there's a town which French name is Auch (Aush or Aux in Gascon). During Roman times, it was called Elimberum, directly derived from the Basque Ilimberri (ili means "town" in Basco-Aquitanian and berri means "new" = "new town".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melki View Post
    The Basque names were often strongly deformed. In Aquitaine, there's a town which French name is Auch (Aush or Aux in Gascon). During Roman times, it was called ELimberum, directly derived from the Basque Ilimberri (ili means "town" in Basco-Aquitanian and berri means "new" = "new town".
    So Sabino Arana did with the Basque names

    Sabino Arana, el vasco que creó todos los nombres

    Es el creador de la mayoría de los actuales nombres vascos traduciéndolos de su raíz original



    Sabino Arana fue un político de Vizcaya que ha sido considerado padre del Nacionalismo Vasco y fundador del PNV. Entre sus aportaciones a dicho movimiento político es sonada la creación de la Ikurriña o su propuesta de ortografía euskera.

    Pero quizá el legado menos conocido, y no por ello menos importante, que dejó Arana a los vascos fueron los nombres propios de persona. Hasta tal punto, que según podemos leer en el blog «Desde mi roble» en el año 2000 el 40% de los nombres más utilizados en la comunidad eran los inventados por Arana 100 años antes.

    Hasta el siglo XX las familias vascas elegían el nombre de sus hijos basándose bien en el santoral cristiano o en los nombres presentes en la propia familia. Sin embargo, Sabino Arana propuso dar mayor identidad al nacionalismo vasco adaptando los nombres cristianos al euskera. En su investigación se dio cuenta que muchos nombres eran adaptaciones fonéticas del latín, por lo que, según su criterio, no reflejaban la esencia del euskera.

    De este modo Sabino Arana creó el Calendario Vizcaíno, que fue completado por el Santoral Vasco en el que los nombres de los santos fueron inventados. El método para crearlos consistía en acudir a la raíz original del nombre para después adaptarlo al euskera. Algunos de los rasgos eran incluir el sufijo -a para los nombres masculinos y -e para los femeninos. La polémica no se hizo esperar y algunos de los académicos renunciaron a su puesto.

    Con el transcurso de los años los nombres fueron aceptados por los vascos y hoy en día son comúnmente aceptados, como hemos visto. Así tenemos nombres como Josu (Jesús), Koldo (Luis), Lander (Leandro) o Gorka (Jorge). Algunos nombres como Gaizka (Salvador) o Iker (forma masculina de Visitación) proceden de traducciones poco fieles según los filólogos. En el caso de los nombres femeninos se encuentran menos extendidos, aunque algunos como Ane (Ana) o Jone (Juana) son de los más recurrentes.
    http://www.abc.es/tecnologia/redes/2...310080948.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    So Sabino Arana did with the Basque names



    http://www.abc.es/tecnologia/redes/2...310080948.html
    I don't really like Sabino Arana Goiri, a right-wing nationalist. He would have been another hyena in this jungle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    The rest of world think Basques from Spain are Spaniards.
    fixed for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by caviezel View Post
    fixed for you
    Dont fix anything, Basques are Spanish, does not matter where they live. Happens the same with Catalans. But perhaps you think Catalans from Rosellón, Cerdaña, etc are not Spanish neither

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    Basque are basque to me. Never really thought of them as Iberians. Only thought of them as basque since they are distinct from other populations around them

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