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    Default How Atheists,muslims,jews can be Saved without converting to Christianity

    let us proclaim that all actual unrepentant mortal sin sends one to hell for eternity.for a sin to be mortal there must be grave matter,full knowledge that its a grave sin and full deliberation and intent to commit the act.without these three conditions a sin is an objective mortal sin but fails to be an actual mortal sin.

    failure to convert to Christianity is a mortal sin but it can be a objective mortal sin if the person has invincible ignorance.what is invincible ignorance?a ignorance that cannot be overcome.

    so some theologians say if youre sincere honest conscience tells you christianity is false then you are invincibely ignorant.

    how do we reconcile this with the infallible statements of medieval popes who say all must be subject to the roman pontiff to be saved?or''extra ecllassium nula salus''outside the church there is no salvation?the answer is that church has both formal and informal members.all people of goodwill according to some theologians are informal members of the church even if they outwardly reject it.people of Goodwill are mystical members of christ's body.

    IMPLICIT DESIRE FOR BAPTISM

    to be saved you MUST be baptized but there is one baptism in three forms:Water,Desire,Blood.

    baptism of desire can be both explicit like the thief on the cross or implicit like the baptism of the ancient israelites in their goodwill towards the messiah{They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.}1 Corinthians 10:2

    both the doctors of the church St.Thomas Aquinas and St.luguori taught baptism of desire can be implicit.


    Love of Neighbour

    a sincere love of neighbour is implicitly a love of God.one who hates the image of god,man ,hates God.therefore a invincibely ignorant atheist who performs acts and intent of goodwill toward fellow neighbour are implicitly seeking christ.when a atheist seeks beauty,love and happiness he is actually seeking what Christ is.therefore some theologians say he is baptized by implicit desire for baptism.


    as for the fact that many atheists commit grave sins like fornication,theft and abortion,some theologians say a act of goodwill and charity towards neighbour shows a act of imperfect contrition and thus forgiveness for that sin.also their culpability could be lessened since they are ignorant of its graveness,though some theologians say at the age of reason the conscience fully tells a person what is right and wrong.I don't know how accuratte these views are and the magisterium hasn't infallibely declared anything on the subject to my knowledge.this is why its the surest and easiest way to be formal members of the Catholic church to achieve salvation.

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    all sins are forgiven except blasphemy against the holy spirit wich is basically dying unrepentant of mortal sin

    mortal sin has 3 perequisites to be actual mortal sin

    some theologians say not all atheists are sinning actually mortally when they outwardly atleast Reject christ.


    POPE FRANCIS

    pope francis has said before that atheists could attain salvation,some pharisaical conservative catholics say he has erred in his personal opinion,but no pope can teach or hold heresy According to the infallible statements of the first Vatican council on the unending faith of peter and his successors.God wills ALL to be saved.
    his ways of doing that are in some manners mysterious.

    The Parable of the Wedding Banquet

    22 Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: 2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3 He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.

    4 “Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’

    5 “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. 6 The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7 The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.

    8 “Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. 9 So go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ 10 So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, the bad as well as the good, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.

    11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12 He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.

    13 “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

    14 “For many are invited, but few are chosen.


    so the wedding Garment is a state of grace.you must be in a state of grace aka outside of actual unrepentant mortal sin to enter heaven.Jesus wills ALL to be saved.


    so is it possible for Atheists,muslims and jews to be saved?Yes

    does that mean you shouldnt convert to christianity?no,because the surest and easiest way to heaven is by being a christian.

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