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    Quote Originally Posted by Siyendi View Post
    İts not bad to be Armenian but how Greek reacts here it's like this is a shame. Greeks here pose Byzantium as pure Hellenic empire and start arguing with us about Ottomans. Ottomans were Turkish in language and dynasty as all 36 emperors descended from a single Turkmen guy called Osman and with 623 years it was longest dynasty in history. Byzantium just had a Hellenic language and emperors didnt have dynasty and from very different ethnic origins.

    No matter how much you want to beat around the bush, the fact remains that you were dealing with a Greek Empire defined by its culture, different from Roman, a language which was very clearly and definitely not Latin, and a religion..GREEK Orthodox which was differentiated from the Western traditions of its Latin descendants.

    Armenia was not part of Byzantium but a buffer state between Byzantium and the Muslims, with its own language, religion (the Armenian monophysitic was considered heretic in Byzantium), and its own army.

    The Byzantine Empire did not discriminate race or extraction. Much like America did not discriminate when it elected a half African (Obama) as its president. I am sure you wouldn't argue that the character of USA is Kenyan because Obama's father is.

    In England there are people from India, Pakistan etc. The mayor of London is of Pakistani extraction. Does anybody questions the fact that he doesn't live in England? or that the character of the state is not English?

    Leo III from a Byzantine province, or Syria if you like, or was Hellenized completely in the Byzantine tradition or else wouldn't have gotten on the throne in Constantinople. or in the case of John I Tsimiskis being of Armenian background, these emperors were completely Hellenized and their religion was that of Greek Orthodox and not of Armenian Orthodox of the monophysite doctrine, which was considered heretic in the Byzantine empire. They were so Armenian that did not even follow the religion and customs of other Armenians.

    Some of the Roman emperors were not also actual Romans either, (Iberians, Syrians, Illyrians etc.) but the empire was still Roman. Therefore one could not make the assumption because 3-4 emperors were of different ancestry the Byzantine empire was not Greek, or that the Roman empire was not Roman because some of its emperors were not actual Romans but just Romanized ones f.ex of Iberian background.

    One of the Kings of England in modern times (I think his name was George) was brought from Germany and didn't even speak English, yet the empire was still Brittish. In the middle ages some of the kings in England from the Platagenetes spoke only French, yet they were kings of England.

    When the Empire was very large it included Emperors from various regions, but after the loss of these regions you begin to see that the majority of the Emperors after the 6-7th century are of Greek extraction.

    And all emperors had a Greek cultural conscious, no matter the descent, they defend greek culture civilization in which the single citizen is very important, to their economy, army, society. As you can see your arguments to describe the Byzantine Empire as not Greek, don't really hold water.

    The Byzantine Empire justifiable is considered the Greek empire of the Middle Ages. Greeks still used the word Romios/Romioi for prestigious reasons, which strictly translated means Roman-like in Greek, instead of the word Romaios which means outrght Roman. This thing confuses a lot of people thinking that the Byzantine empire was actally Roman when in reality it was not.

    The word Romios (singular) and Romioi (plural) was used extensively even by the modern Hellenes (Greeks) to describe themselves or addressing each other, meaning in reality Greek/Hellene. It came down from the Byzantine period. By the 3rd–7th century AD the Greeks referred to themselves as Romaioi (Romans) or Romioi since virtually all Greeks were Roman citizens.

    The word Romiosini is still beng used today in Greece to describe the Greek ethnicity and identity and is not in any way implying the actual Roman ethnicity or identity. The Armenians or Slavs never referred to themselves as Romaioi, only Greeks did.

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    Speaking of Armenians, Hundreds of Armenians march in Athens to mark Genocide anniversary


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    Historian finds new documentary proof of Turkish role in Armenian Genocide



    The Armenians were kuffar harbi-Infidels at war with Islam-for wanting independence, and hence under Islamic law their lives were forfeit.

    “My firm belief as a Turk is that democracy and human rights in Turkey can only be established by facing history and acknowledging historic wrongdoings.”

    ..but Islamic supremacists never do that. Ever. It either didn’t happen or it’s the Infidel’s fault.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/22/w...rkey.html?_r=2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siyendi View Post
    İts not bad to be Armenian but how Greek reacts here it's like this is a shame. Greeks here pose Byzantium as pure Hellenic empire and start arguing with us about Ottomans. Ottomans were Turkish in language and dynasty as all 36 emperors descended from a single Turkmen guy called Osman and with 623 years it was longest dynasty in history. Byzantium just had a Hellenic language and emperors didnt have dynasty and from very different ethnic origins.


    We have said many times that the East Roman empire was a multiethnic Roman empire which gradually switched its' official language from Latin to Greek.

    Who gives a fuck about the Ottomans? They were a bunch of vermin whose only capacity was to destroy. Since they arrived in the East Mediterranean, it ceased to be the most important region of the western world after thousands of years as the cradle of civilization.

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    Bump for Lavrentis the Armeno-Saharid Cretan. Must be happy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Bump for Lavrentis the Armeno-Saharid Cretan. Must be happy
    I already told you that the Byzantine Empire was multi-ethnic. Your posts make no sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavrentis View Post
    I already told you that the Byzantine Empire was multi-ethnic. Your posts make no sense
    All empires were multi ethnic, so was Turkish Empire. However the Turkish one had a dynastic system and everyone walking in the street couldn't potentially become emperor tho...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    All empires were multi ethnic
    True. So why are you so eager to post about the Armenian Emperors of the Byzantine Empire? Since it was multi-ethnic, it's Emperors had different origins. One Byzantine Emperor, Apsimar, was German, so what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    All empires were multi ethnic, so was Turkish Empire. However the Turkish one had a dynastic system and everyone walking in the street couldn't potentially become emperor tho...
    Why don't you return to the imperial system again, instead of pretending to be a democracy, if you like it so much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavrentis View Post
    True. So why are you so eager to post about the Armenian Emperors of the Byzantine Empire? Since it was multi-ethnic, it's Emperors had different origins. One Byzantine Emperor, Apsimar, was German, so what?
    He was completely assimilated into Greek culture, there was nothing German in him. If there was however, he would be exiled from the Empire since Germans were natural enemies of Roman people.

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