The Greeks

[Hellenas]

Unless you have any contemporany written,linguistical(including toponyms),archaelogical proof than you are irrelevant in this discussion.

That's what you are. I told you you can use even pseudo-historical sources by claiming Chinese are Romanians. Eveything has over and has been proven Anthropologically and as an Anthropologist once said, skulls are harder than papers... Sorry, now you can cry all you want.

[Kamal900]

A Lebanese can be of Arab, Armenian, Aramaean, Phoenician or Greek descend because Lebanon was colonized by all these people.

True. Only around 25% of the Lebanese, both Muslims and Christians, have Phoenician ancestry. The rest are a genetic cocktail which is also true for all Levantine populations like Palestinians, Jordanians and Syrians.

Consequently, Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans. Finally, we identify a putative Levantine ancestral component that diverged from other Middle Easterners ∼23,700–15,500 years ago during the last glacial period, and diverged from Europeans ∼15,900–9,100 years ago between the last glacial warming and the start of the Neolithic.

This study explores the Levant, a region flanked by the Middle East and Europe, where individual and population relationships are still strongly influenced by religion. We show that religious affiliation had a strong impact on the genomes of the Levantines. In particular, conversion of the region's populations to Islam appears to have introduced major rearrangements in populations' relations through admixture with culturally similar but geographically remote populations, leading to genetic similarities between remarkably distant populations like Jordanians, Moroccans, and Yemenis. Conversely, other populations, like Christians and Druze, became genetically isolated in the new cultural environment. We reconstructed the genetic structure of the Levantines and found that a pre-Islamic expansion Levant was more genetically similar to Europeans than to Middle Easterners.

he population tree (Figure 3A) splits Levantine populations in two branches: one leading to Europeans and Central Asians that includes Lebanese, Armenians, Cypriots, Druze and Jews, as well as Turks, Iranians and Caucasian populations; and a second branch composed of Palestinians, Jordanians, Syrians, as well as North Africans, Ethiopians, Saudis, and Bedouins. The tree shows a correlation between religion and the population structures in the Levant: all Jews (Sephardi and Ashkenazi) cluster in one branch; Druze from Mount Lebanon and Druze from Mount Carmel are depicted on a private branch; and Lebanese Christians form a private branch with the Christian populations of Armenia and Cyprus placing the Lebanese Muslims as an outer group. The predominantly Muslim populations of Syrians, Palestinians and Jordanians cluster on branches with other Muslim populations as distant as Morocco and Yemen. It should be noted here that the results depend significantly on populations included in the analysis as well as recent admixture events, and so should be treated as an approximate guide to similarity, rather than a full population history.
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetic...l.pgen.1003316

Genetics results of an ancient Nabatean Arab gladiator in today's Britian between 2nd to fourth century AD:

"Strikingly, one Roman skeleton shows a clear signal of exogenous origin, with affinities pointing towards the Middle East, confirming the cosmopolitan character of the Empire, even at its northernmost fringes. […]
Seven ancient genomes are sampled from a cemetery in Roman York dated between the second and the fourth century AD […]
the majority (6/7) of Driffield Terrace samples belong to sub-lineages of R1b-L52/L11 […] Sample 3DRIF-26, on the other hand, despite belonging to the same burial context, presented a lineage consistent with haplogroup J2-L228 […] majority were adults under 45 years old, male and most had evidence of decapitation. They were slightly taller than average for Roman Britain, displayed a high occurrence of trauma, potentially related to interpersonal violence and evidenced childhood stress and infection. This demographic profile resembles the population structure in a recently excavated burial ground of the second and third century AD at Ephesus, which has been interpreted to be a burial ground for gladiators. However, the evidence could also fit with a military context; the Roman army had a minimum height for recruitment and fallen soldiers would match the young adult profile of the cemetery. […]

Affinity with global populations […] 3DRIF-26 gives a clear Middle Eastern signal, with closest neighbours of Palestinian, Jordanian and Syrian origin. […] ancestral component […] whereas 3DRIF-26 again shows a majority West Asian/Middle Eastern component. Isotopic analyses of the skeletons support this genetic differentiation of 3DRIF-26 from the remainder of the individuals sampled. […] 3DRIF-26, which showed highest IBS with samples from Saudi Arabia. […] assignment of 3DRIF-26 to the Middle East region seems secure, but resolution to an individual population may not be possible. […] imputed lactase persistence genotypes: […] 3DRIF-26 were homozygous for the ancestral non-persistence variant. […]
Discussion: […] affinities clearly lie with the Middle East. Isotopically, the most plausible suggestion is an arid environment on igneous or limestone geology […] Hence, although this individual is indistinguishable from the other inhumations in terms of burial practice and osteology, the analyses show that, even in its northernmost provincial capital, the profoundly cosmopolitan nature of the Roman Empire suggested by documentary and epigraphic sources continued to hold sway[...]"



"Red = England Iron Age
Orange = England Anglo-Saxon
Yellow = British Romans with R1b-U106
Black = British Romans
Black star = Middle Eastern Roman"

He also posted 3DRIF-26's K15 results:

ID 3DRIF-26
North_Sea 0.02
Atlantic 4.06
Baltic 0
Eastern_Euro 0
West_Med 11.24
West_Asian 10.99
East_Med 46.16
Red_Sea 20.98
South_Asian 0
Southeast_Asian 0
Siberian 0
Amerindian 0
Oceanian 0
Northeast_African 6.54
Sub-Saharan 0.02
Times of Grace posted his K15 oracle results
The K15 oracle results for 3DRIF-26 using Admix4 [least-squares]

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Palestinian @ 7.892861
2 Bedouin @ 9.735329
3 Jordanian @ 10.699103
4 Samaritan @ 10.882444
5 Egyptian @ 12.261471
6 Yemenite_Jewish @ 13.881736
7 Lebanese_Christian @ 14.134447
8 Syrian @ 15.455195
9 Saudi @ 15.633462
10 Libyan_Jewish @ 16.488793
11 Lebanese_Druze @ 16.849952
12 Tunisian_Jewish @ 16.947318
13 Lebanese_Muslim @ 17.665131
14 Cyprian @ 18.849272
15 Sephardic_Jewish @ 21.690977
16 Kurdish_Jewish @ 21.923758
17 Algerian_Jewish @ 21.983456
18 Iranian_Jewish @ 22.708555
19 Italian_Jewish @ 22.898936
20 Assyrian @ 26.329748
206 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Tunisian_Jewish+Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.730545
2 Samaritan+Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.433585
3 Cyprian+Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.435184
4 Libyan_Jewish+Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.54292
5 Syrian+Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.863652
6 Samaritan+Saudi @ 6.055764
7 Jordanian+Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.058507
8 Lebanese_Muslim+Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.412908
9 Palestinian+Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.546099
10 Sephardic_Jewish+Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.605741
21321 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Samaritan +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.790951
2 50% Samaritan +25% Egyptian +25% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.835664
3 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Cyprian +25% Egyptian @ 3.970079
4 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Syrian +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.141381
5 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Samaritan +25% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.156833
6 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Algerian_Jewish +25% Samaritan @ 4.168106
7 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Kurdish_Jewish +25% Moroccan @ 4.197818
8 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Jordanian +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.22339
9 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Kurdish_Jewish +25% Tunisian @ 4.26225
10 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Lebanese_Christian +25% Tunisian @ 4.274044
1550395 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Samaritan+Saudi+Tunisian_Jewish+Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.616255
2 Samaritan+Tunisian_Jewish+Yemenite_Jewish+Yemenite _Jewish @ 3.790951
3 Egyptian+Samaritan+Samaritan+Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.835664
4 Cyprian+Egyptian+Yemenite_Jewish+Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.970079
5 Libyan_Jewish+Samaritan+Saudi+Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.032339
6 Lebanese_Christian+Saudi+Tunisian_Jewish+Yemenite_ Jewish @ 4.032568
7 Egyptian+Palestinian+Samaritan+Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.113074
8 Syrian+Tunisian_Jewish+Yemenite_Jewish+Yemenite_Je wish @ 4.141381
9 Samaritan+Sephardic_Jewish+Yemenite_Jewish+Yemenit e_Jewish @ 4.156833
10 Algerian_Jewish+Samaritan+Yemenite_Jewish+Yemenite _Jewish @ 4.168106

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post135042

http://j2-m172.info/2016/01/exogenou...ddle-eastener/

[Tommie]

The Vlachs of Greece have a higher stature and a lighter colouring compared to the Romanians.

Wtf...

[Deymark]

That's what you are. I told you you can use even pseudo-historical sources by claiming Chinese are Romanians. Eveything has over and has been proven Anthropologically and as an Anthropologist once said, skulls are harder than papers... Sorry, now you can cry all you want.

Anthropollogy is irrelevant in order to determine a modern population origin,unless we are talking of different races , for the reasons mentioned above.It could had constituted a proof 1000 years ago,definetely not today.I have yet to find a theory of origin of a population, which uses anthropology as an argument.
Again,unless you have any contemporany written,linguistical(including toponyms),archaelogical proof than you are irrelevant in this discussion.

[Laberia]

Romanians starting with early 16th century call themselvs romanian.Meanwhile schqiptari never called itself albanian, this name they have stolen from celtic albanians, the previous inhabitants of Albania they found when they migrated there.So I would not be this big mouthed.

Two spelling forms: român and rumân were used interchangeably [b] until sociolinguistic developments in the late 17th century led to semantic differentiation of the two forms: rumân came to mean "bondsman", while român retained the original ethnolinguistic meaning.[16] After the abolition of serfdom in 1746, the word rumân gradually fell out of use and the spelling stabilised to the form român.[c] Tudor Vladimirescu, a revolutionary leader of the early 19th century, used the term Rumânia to refer exclusively to the principality of Wallachia."[17]

Do you see? In XIX century your heroe called themselves ruman, bondsman, i. e. rayah and his country Rumania, land of the rayahs. Not a nation, but a social strata.

[Deymark]

Do you see? In XIX century your heroe called themselves ruman, bondsman, i. e. rayah and his country Rumania, land of the rayahs. Not a nation, but a social strata.

Weak bait.

[Hellenas]

Anthropollogy is irrelevant in order to determine a modern population origin,unless we are talking of different races , for the reasons mentioned above.It could had constituted a proof 1000 years ago,definetely not today.I have yet to find a theory of origin of a population, which uses anthropology as an argument.
Again,unless you have any contemporany written,linguistical(including toponyms),archaelogical proof than you are irrelevant in this discussion.

Greek Vlachs are Greeks and not Romanians according to racial anthropology... now go cry in a gypsy Romanian corner, alone or with the company of your Romanian Nationalist compatriots.

We win

You lose

I am sorry if you can't accept the defeat.

[Deymark]

Greek Vlachs are Greeks according to racial anthropology... now go cry in a gypsy Romanian corner, alone or with the company of your Romanian Nationalist compatriots.

We win

You lose

I am sorry if you can't accept the defeat.

Keep repeating it.It won't make it true.

[Coolguy1]

Anthropollogy is irrelevant in order to determine a modern population origin,unless we are talking of different races , for the reasons mentioned above.It could had constituted a proof 1000 years ago,definetely not today.I have yet to find a theory of origin of a population, which uses anthropology as an argument.
Again,unless you have any contemporany written,linguistical(including toponyms),archaelogical proof than you are irrelevant in this discussion.

Aromanians came to Greece in the early middle ages from Albania, they were pushed into the Pindus as albanian tribes were moving southward. As for toponyms, I can tell you that the villages they inhabit have a mixture of mostly Greek and Slavic names. The only true Aromanian toponym in Greece is Samarina, from San Marina, Latin. Their ethnic identity is their own concern, and they seem overwhelmingly to identify as Greeks, as they have lived their and mixed with the locals for hundreds of years.

[Deymark]

Aromanians came to Greece in the early middle ages from Albania, they were pushed into the Pindus as albanian tribes were moving southward. As for toponyms, I can tell you that the villages they inhabit have a mixture of mostly Greek and Slavic names. The only true Aromanian toponym in Greece is Samarina, from San Marina, Latin. Their ethnic identity is their own concern, and they seem overwhelmingly to identify as Greeks, as they have lived their and mixed with the locals for hundreds of years.

What are your sources?I have yet to find a contemporany writting claiming what you say.Maybe you have some that I have not read, why not share them here.