Federalism after Presidency? Erdogan's 2023 vision

[Böri]

In december 2013 Erdogan said in a CNN Türk tv show that his dream for Turkey it's a presidential system with several different states. He said:
'Look at Ottoman empire, there was Lazistan state, there was Kurdistan state and I dont understand why Turkish nationalists (MHP) who claim to be Ottomans followers dont want this, İ think Erdogan doesnt quite know what this is the Turkish nationalism content.



MHP leader Bahçeli supported his presidential process However he said no to Federal States system. 3 days before the referandum on Thursday he said Wolves will never accept the federal system. Many MHP supporters who hesitating voted NO after his speech and this made Erdogan victory phyrric with 51,4

[TheGoldenSon]

He could solve the Kurdish problem with this.

[Böri]

He could solve the Kurdish problem with this.

How? Incorporate 7 million more Kurds then they will organize a independence referandum and it's gone? When you shift to federal state, the sub-states have a right for self-determination. If they organize a separation movement plus referandum, it will then be supported by the U.N. and the NATO. So moving to federalism it's legally (by international standards) opening way for separation of a country. But when you are unitarian state, by international law you are protected, UN or NATO cant interfere because legally no federal state can organize a 'independence referandum.

[Böri]

After MHP leader's historical speech on 13 April, one day later Erdoğan must say in a meeting he is against Federal states system



However in his older speech Erdogan also said 'you cant take presidency only, ofc when you bring you bring it wholly, (so with states/eyalets)

[Böri]

Turkish opposition MHP leader slams Erdoğan’s advisors for ‘federal structure’ remarks



Devlet Bahçeli, leader of the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), has slammed advisors of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan for suggesting a federal structure if “yes” votes prevail in the upcoming charter referendum.

“If advisors are speaking of a states [federal] structure and the president is not ruling this out, then what would the decision of the nationalists, who support a unitary structure, be only two days before the [referendum] said, Bahçeli during a live interview with Nazlı Çelik on private broadcaster NTV late on April 13.

“If my advisors spoke of a federal system, I would dismiss them,” he said.

MHP is the sole party in the parliament that backs the ruling Justice and Development Party’s (AKP) constitutional change amendment, which will be put on referendum on April 16 and seeks a shift to an executive presidential system from the current parliamentary one.

“The state is taking a step to found its own state. Happy April 16,” said Mehmet Uçum, a chief advisor to Erdoğan, with the main opposition Republican People’s Party (CHP) interpreting his words as a suggestion to change the regime.

Another advisor, Şükrü Karatepe, suggested earlier a Chinese model.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...&NewsCatID=338

[Böri]

Change noticed on TA too. Before referendum:

Vote yes for federation peace and prosperity!!! It will be good for everyone! Under Georgian leadership no nation has ever failed my friends!

after referendum:

You can't create a federal state with 50000 Laz. We are so small in quantity and precious we need to be protected.

[DarkSecret]

Change noticed on TA too. Before referendum:


after referendum:

I don't have Turkish flag nor do I have anything related to Turkic identity on my profile. So I can say whatever I want to say from now on. I am FREEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

[Böri]

I don't have Turkish flag nor do I have anything related to Turkic identity on my profile. So I can say whatever I want to say from now on. I am FREEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Man your change is awesome

[DarkSecret]

Man your change is awesome

I might have multi personality disorder...