Is Western Civilisation Synonymous With White Civilisation?

[catgeorge]

West Euro with low culture



Greek with low culture



Do not dare compare me to western euro uncultured degenerates is all I want to say - if they want to see themselves as superior. I at their self-perceived importance.

I have something in common with them I can integrate and perform above their required levels - but do not dare put me in the same bracket as those losers

[wvwvw]

You're inventing history here. I'm not a historian to prove the point with sources but the point is so widely acknowledged it's barely need any proof.

With your claim about bonds you're missing one significant detail - a slave was never considered as a person. It was a property, a cattle, anything but a person. Hence you'd never find any information about sale of a person.

The slave was not considered a slave only in the modern definition of the world. Slaves in ancient Greece were considered persons workers who had rights and were paid for their work.

The ancient Greek word for slave is doulos and means labourer and refers to all forms of labourers.

Slave or Sklavos is a Byzantine word referring to the Slavs as servants and agricultural workers. The Latin form is Servus. For "slave" which was not even coined until Byzantine times read any worker, labourer, sold captive, mercenary, private employee, state employee, skilled tradesman or professional.

The fact is that almost everyone in ancient Greece and the ancient world in general had to work for a living. This was NOT slavery in the modern sense. A doulos was NOT a slave; he or she was a was a worker and there were two different types; there were douloi who hired their labour for a fee and moved from one employer to another as is alluded to by Hesiod, and there were douloi who were like football players or recording artists who were bought and sold by employers and were employed for life by that employer or until they bough themselves out of their contract.

The majority of douloi were of the fist kind. They sold their labour just like the majority of workers do today in order to provide for themselves and their families. The alternative to being a doulo or labourer was to set up your own business and employ your own labourers or be self employed. The fact is that most people at some time employed douloi to do jobs they could not do themselves because they did not have the skills for it, such as plumbing or shoeing their horses or fixing their carts or teaching their children, just like you would employ a plumber or a mechanic or a private tutor today.

[Rethel]

Only if you include Islam as part of Western civilization since Islam is the predominant religion of 2/3rd of what was historically part of the Roman Empire.

[Titus]

Only if you include Islam as part of Western civilization since Islam is the predominant religion of 2/3rd of what was historically part of the Roman Empire.

I know you must have some bias for being a black moslem with probably 70 IQ, but Islam has fought to death with western civilization until the west came on top, now they just send their genetic dreg to destroy the best of mankind and bring it to its level. On a side note, 90%+ of all islamic scholars and sages were of european/iranian descent or converts, from Ibn Hazm to Averroes, also, the benevolent melting pot of al-andalus is just a bunch of bullshit and propaganda, non moslems were second class citizens and subject to heavy taxes and the lazy inbred retarded moslems were just living like parasites most of the time, just like they often do today in western countries.

[Rethel]

Yes, if you don't consider Eastern Europe as White.

Eastern Europe is not civilizationally western?

p.s. It is interesting that Soviets and Muslims usually are talking similar bullshit.

[wvwvw]

West Euro with low culture



Greek with low culture



Do not dare compare me to western euro uncultured degenerates is all I want to say - if they want to see themselves as superior. I at their self-perceived importance.

I have something in common with them I can integrate and perform above their required levels - but do not dare put me in the same bracket as those losers

Selective cherry-picking no different from what the Muslims do. How are you different than "Ross"?

And WHY do you live in a country with an Anglo-Saxon culture. Return to your backward village from where you came from.

[Porn Master]

Eastern Europe is not civilizationally western?

p.s. It is interesting that Soviets and Muslims usually are talking similar bullshit.

and you're ready to clean western toilets little bro?

[catgeorge]

Selective cherry-picking no different from what the Muslims do. How are you different from Ross?

And WHY do you live in a country with an Anglo-Saxon culture. Return to your backward village from where you came from.

Why is this cherry picking by finding plagiarists and appropriators as disgusting?

..the above is as accurate as you can get it as I have seen it with my own eyes.

[wvwvw]

Slavery in the ancient world is a modern fabrication. Greek and Latin primary sources in the original language describe no such thing. If you claim differently all you have to do is provide a references to such a source. References to modern historians or translations do not count. Original Greek or Latin please.

Stop reading unsubstantiated revisionist codswallop and read the original texts in the original language.

Aristot. Const. Ath. 2.

ἦν γὰρ αὐτῶν ἡ πολιτεία τοῖς τε ἄλλοις ὀλιγαρχικὴ πᾶσι, καὶ δὴ καὶ
ἐδούλευον οἱ πένητες τοῖς πλουσίοις καὶ αὐτοὶ καὶ τὰ τέκνα καὶ αἱ
γυναῖκες: καὶ ἐκαλοῦντο πελάται καὶ ἑκτήμοροι: κατὰ ταύτην γὰρ τὴν
μίσθωσιν ἠργάζοντο τῶν πλουσίων τοὺς ἀγρούς （ἡ δὲ πᾶσα γῆ δι᾽ ὀλίγων
ἦν）, καὶ εἰ μὴ τὰς μισθώσεις ἀποδιδοῖεν, ἀγώγιμοι καὶ αὐτοὶ καὶ οἱ
παῖδες ἐγίγνοντο: καὶ οἱ δανεισμοὶ πᾶσιν ἐπὶ τοῖς σώμασιν ἦσαν μέχρι
Σόλωνος: οὗτος δὲ πρῶτος ἐγένετο τοῦ δήμου προστάτης. [3] χαλεπώτατον
μὲν οὖν καὶ πικρότατον ἦν τοῖς πολλοῖς τῶν κατὰ τὴν πολιτείαν τὸ
δουλεύειν: οὐ μὴν ἀλλὰ καὶ ἐπὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις ἐδυσχέραινον: οὐδενὸς γὰρ ὡς
εἰπεῖν ἐτύγχανον μετέχοντες.

[2] For the Athenian constitution was in all respects oligarchical, and
in fact the poor themselves and also their wives and children were
actually in servitude to the rich ['ἐδούλευον οἱ πένητες τοῖς πλουσίοις'
literally means 'the poor served/worked for the rich' not 'the poor
slaved for the rich'; thus it can be seen doulos cannot mean slave]; and
they were called Clients, and Sixth-part-tenants (for that was the rent
they paid for the rich men's land which they farmed, and the whole of
the country was in few hands), and if they ever failed to pay their
rents, they themselves and their children were liable to arrest; and all
borrowing was on the security of the debtors' persons down to the time
of Solon: it was he who first became head of the People. [3] Thus the
most grievous and bitter thing in the state of public affairs for the
masses was their slavery; not but what they were discontented also about
everything else, for they found themselves virtually without a share in
anything.

Aristot. Const. Ath. 6

Solon having become master of affairs made the people free both at the
time and for the future by prohibiting loans secured on the person, and
he laid down laws, and enacted cancellations of debts both private and
public, the measures that are known as 'the Shaking-off of Burdens,'
meaning that the people shook off their load. In these matters some
people try to misrepresent him; [2] for it happened that when Solon was
intending to enact the Shaking-off of Burdens, he informed some of the
notables beforehand, and afterwards, as those of popular sympathies say,
he was outmaneuvered by his friends, but according to those who want to
malign him he himself also took a share. For these persons borrowed
money and bought up a quantity of land, and when not long afterwards the
cancellation of debts took place they were rich men; and this is said to
be the origin of the families subsequently reputed to be ancestrally
wealthy.

The facts as can be obtained by reading any primary sources is that 'slaves' are hardly ever mentioned; and by slaves I mean prisoners of war sold into bondage. Only non-peer-reviewed, unsubstantiated popular fiction by authors who are not even qualified in the field they are writing about and most likely cannot even understand the language the primary sources were written in, let alone actually read any.

As Aristotle explained in the quotes you obviously can't understand
since they are written in ancient Greek, the poor in Athens were the
equivalent to serfs of the middle ages and paid a tithe (well it was
actually 1/6) of their produce to the land owner. They were in servitude
not slavery. A doulos was a serf not a slave!

[Rethel]

and you're ready to clean western toilets little bro?

One Łysol is enaugh on this forum.