Red Army's barrier troops (anti-retreat forces)

[Sarmatian]

Shortly what is Communist about?

In short it's collective ownership of the means of production and absence of social classes, money, and state. Everything else you wrote about is mental masturbation on something irrelevant to the issue.

[Sarmatian]

Egalitarianism within primitive hunter gatherer is so ludicrous, Karl Marx might be laughing at his own thesis. Hunter gatherers are known to practice animal and human sacrifices, also all kinds of primeval cruelties in warfare. I do think that communism is a primeval malice within civilization, I have to agree with Marx that communism comes from hunter gatherers, but not that communism is a primitive economic trait. Primitive economy is nothing more than the impulse for survival, their instinct told them to exploit man-power, tools to survive. Marx used egalitarian as an economic term not cultural, he imposed his own image on the primitives just like he did on the workers and peasants.

Communism does not just persist as an integral element of society, but as either subversive or dictating systems among illicit societies just like the novel "Beciy" describes.

Primitive hunter-gatherers were all exclusively egalitarian. They had no state-like structures, no classes, no money and they had common ownership of all means of production. Fit description of communism perfectly. Sure they were brutal and supported existing lack of structure by exterminating each other mercilessly. But it doesn't change the fact about their nature.

Only with Neolithic revolution when people started bunching together into larger entities living in permanent locations various classes appeared in society. Notice how class structure is highly associated with sedentary lifestyle. All nomads retained their egalitarianism for as long as they existed but as soon as they settled down somewhere (like Seljuks) they formed their own classes within one or two generations.

Still elements of Communist formation were alive all the time. In Russia for example there were artels, free enterprises of free men working together for equal share of profit, known for many centuries. The hippy communes living off grid today are all purely Communist.

[Sarmatian]

Communism is the theoretical classless, moneyless, stateless society. Socialism is considered to be the period when a society is trying to transition towards communism. Communism, being stateless, moneyless, and classless, cannot exist in one country alone.It would be destroyed almost immediately. I think for communism to exist all countries need to be socialist first. Russia wasn't even close to communism and yet the rest of the world was trying to bring it down.

Only idiots like Trotskist Antifa would expect Communism to just happen suddenly. It's a long process and nobody has an answer how many years or centuries will it take for humanity to shift to it. And the process isn't one-way, old formations always resist and trying to preserve themselves. It was like that with slavery and feudalism. It is same now with Capitalism, its extreme reaction is Nazism.

Russia had implemented Communism in its initial form but was nowhere close to achieving its final stage. That's why Khrushchev was moron when he declared Communism being fully established and changed USSR state policies dramatically. It's indeed requires entire world to become Socialist for Communism to achieve its final stage. But the way Socialism is being implemented in countries like Sweden is horribly wrong. They making same mistake as it was in USSR: their political science becoming religion and they simply following dogmatic system of beliefs with no critical analysis of what's going on and what needs to be done. As result they turning their initially progressive system into complete disaster and allowing Capitalist formation to react and take advantage through rise of radical right.

[Rumata]

Some years ago i read nazi documents about treatment of russian prisoners/personel/population, "respectable attitude" was insured only from 1943-1944.

What kind of "respectable attitude" do you mean? My grandfather told us that at the moment of liberation from a camp of POWs his weight was 56 kg (a young man of average built, ~170 cm). And in this condition he had to work in a mine.

It wasn't enough for Soviet authorities though so he had to go through a filtration camp in USSR additionally, which was the most bitter part psychologically.
He was not a Russian but an Adyghe but I don't think it changed a lot for the Nazis.

[Hexachordia]

Primitive hunter-gatherers were all exclusively egalitarian. They had no state-like structures, no classes, no money and they had common ownership of all means of production. Fit description of communism perfectly. Sure they were brutal and supported existing lack of structure by exterminating each other mercilessly. But it doesn't change the fact about their nature.

Only with Neolithic revolution when people started bunching together into larger entities living in permanent locations various classes appeared in society. Notice how class structure is highly associated with sedentary lifestyle. All nomads retained their egalitarianism for as long as they existed but as soon as they settled down somewhere (like Seljuks) they formed their own classes within one or two generations.

Still elements of Communist formation were alive all the time. In Russia for example there were artels, free enterprises of free men working together for equal share of profit, known for many centuries. The hippy communes living off grid today are all purely Communist.

You can impose any value on primitives but those primitives had no ideas of equality, economy, class. Karl Marx loved to enshrine labor and equality as if they are spoken by the God himself, equality and labor under Marx is mystified and dictated by Marx himself and not allowed analytical inquiry. It is why I said marxism is pseudo-dialecticism. Marx dictated a lot of concepts, most importantly: labor, science, proletarian, equality, value. Marx just tried to dictate the whole human conscience and perception of the world by manipulating grey areas of human cognitive understanding. He is the epitome of intellectual malice, and the grandmaster of lies.

Huntergatherer society as we know today is just beginning to be studied in depth with the help of geneaology, extensive archaeology, paleo-meteorology etc. They were brutal, ingenious, more complex than Marx`s haphazard portrayal as robotic economic mechanisms. Let Marx explain how primitives erected Gobekli Tepe, he will say they used slaves, or they worked togather so well to creat a miracle conveniently neglecting bloodsoaked soil around the sacrificial site, in a way of making all kinds of excuses for his ignorance. Communism is not a neutral word by Marx, but to lie to usurp to dictate. Marxism is not just his personal corruption of philosophy, but a very long tradition of combination between ideological charlatanism, elitist megalomania, psychopathological perversion, intellectual malice. This is my final definition of Marxism.

[Böri]

It's only about revivalism of Hunter-Gatherers mythical classless society where people live in dirt and sh!t and everything until women are shared. The rest is good propaganda to attract people and make them struggle for this. Period.

He was not a Russian but an Adyghe but I don't think it changed a lot for the Nazis.

I remember I read only your grandmother was Circassian so in fact you are half Circassians?

[Hexachordia]

It's only about revivalism of Hunter-Gatherers mythical classless society where people live in dirt and sh!t and everything until women are shared. The rest is good propaganda to attract people and make them struggle for this. Period.

I remember I read only your grandmother was Circassian so in fact you are half Circassians?

The allusion to huntergatherer society is an appeal to the minority criminals, but Marx was still wrong when he considered huntergatherers were truly primitive. Today in the light of new findings, huntergatherers were actually advanced technologically, and cruel at the same time, very much similar to us today. Marx is just an ignorant pseudo-intellectual, be careful that Karl Marx is not the first and the last marxist, as I said above, he is just a mouthpiece of a long tradition, anyone can become a marxist while doing unethical things, and as average persons we may have to become a marxist on specific occasions. Marxism is a sickness hidden in human consciousness.

[glass]

What kind of "respectable attitude" do you mean? My grandfather told us that at the moment of liberation from a camp of POWs his weight was 56 kg (a young man of average built, ~170 cm). And in this condition he had to work in a mine.

I was talking about documents and recomendationsi issued by german command. Real attitude was dependent on local personel of course, as well as actual place. Conditions in labour camp were of course harsh, but interactions were not limited to camps only. There were people in occupied territories, collaborators etc.
Point is towards the end of war germans were not as strict to their racial theory as at the begining.

[Rumata]

I remember I read only your grandmother was Circassian so in fact you are half Circassians?

You remember wrong. I hadn't had a Circassian grandmother and I've never stated that. Also, I've posted pictures of my Adyghe grandfather along with my ancestors from other lines. It was before the forum crash.
I'm 1/4 Adyghe, 1/4 Ukrainian and 1/2 Russian.

I was talking about documents and recomendationsi issued by german command. Real attitude was dependent on local personel of course, as well as actual place. Conditions in labour camp were of course harsh, but interactions were not limited to camps only. There were people in occupied territories, collaborators etc.
Point is towards the end of war germans were not as strict to their racial theory as at the begining.

OK then. I guess Hitler couldn't sit on two chairs by selling to the Germans the idea of German racial superiority and at the same time winning sympathy of other peoples. Either one or another.