Moorish Invasion and Its Genetic Contribution in Iberia

[Tietar]

Moors left many toponyms in Iberia. There's no reason why they didn't leave some DNA. The Inquisition had no racist considerations, when a Moor was sincerely converted to Christianity, his soul was blessed.

Please inform yourself before shitting opinions



The expulsion of the Moriscos from Spain

One of the most outstanding decisions during the rule of King Felipe III of Spain was undoubtedly the expulsion of the Moorish people of the country, influenced by the opinions of his ministers. Why did you make such a drastic decision?

Despite the positive reports, King Philip III was apprehensive because his Islamic past made them support the Ottoman Empire in the face of a military invasion of Spain. However, it is also thought that it was due to the image that gave the crown that the Moors remained in Spain. On April 9, 1609, Philip III decreed the expulsion of the Moriscos

However, some had fled and had hidden in the mountains. After this expulsion, all those who had remained hidden returned to their homes. Some of them returned on their own foot to their lands, but the king ordered the Count de Salazar to apprehend them, being assigned to galleys or slavery in the mines.

The "Moriscos" were former Muslims who had converted to Christianity, most during the reign of the Catholic Monarchs and after the reconquest of the kingdom of Granada. In those years lived in Spain 325,000 Moorish, a figure not negligible taking into account that in the country there were about 8 million inhabitants.

https://redhistoria.com/la-expulsion...cos-de-espana/

[Melki]

Please inform yourself before shitting opinions



The expulsion of the Moriscos from Spain

One of the most outstanding decisions during the rule of King Felipe III of Spain was undoubtedly the expulsion of the Moorish people of the country, influenced by the opinions of his ministers. Why did you make such a drastic decision?

Despite the positive reports, King Philip III was apprehensive because his Islamic past made them support the Ottoman Empire in the face of a military invasion of Spain. However, it is also thought that it was due to the image that gave the crown that the Moors remained in Spain. On April 9, 1609, Philip III decreed the expulsion of the Moriscos

However, some had fled and had hidden in the mountains. After this expulsion, all those who had remained hidden returned to their homes. Some of them returned on their own foot to their lands, but the king ordered the Count de Salazar to apprehend them, being assigned to galleys or slavery in the mines.

The "Moriscos" were former Muslims who had converted to Christianity, most during the reign of the Catholic Monarchs and after the reconquest of the kingdom of Granada. In those years lived in Spain 325,000 Moorish, a figure not negligible taking into account that in the country there were about 8 million inhabitants.

https://redhistoria.com/la-expulsion...cos-de-espana/

Yes, it's what happened to poor Ricote in Don Quixote. But don't you think that these Moriscos had enough time to interbreed? Illegitimate marriages were not uncommon, even in the 16th century. They must have left a genetic footprint in Iberia.

Why are you TA Iberians so ashamed by your Moorish past? I find it fascinating, as fascinating as the Basque culture.

[EL_BARBARO]

Yes, it's what happened to poor Ricote in Don Quixote. But don't you think that these Moriscos had enough time to interbreed? Illegitimate marriages were not uncommon, even in the 16th century. They must have left a genetic footprint in Iberia.

Why are you TA Iberians so ashamed by your Moorish past? I find it fascinating, as fascinating as the Basque culture.

Still trying to sell the donkey that you are a basque?

Why all Latinoamericans come in here in Europe trying to sell they are basque?

Look. Another peruvian assuring he's basque:


"I'm pure Basque from Orduña, joder!"

[Peterski]

Do not worry guys, some of the so called "Moors" were actually Slavs:

http://michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taifa_of_Dénia

I estimate Slavic input in Iberia to be circa 20% and Moorish just 15%.

[EL_BARBARO]

Do not worry guys, some of the so called "Moors" were actually Slavs:

http://michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taifa_of_Dénia

I estimate Slavic input in Iberia to be circa 20% and Moorish just 15%.

Yes, no doubt. Many slaves were bought by the muslims of the peninsula to the jews, the main slave traders in that epoque

[Peterski]

From the article:

"(...) The Slavic pirates on the Mediterrenean Sea were not uncommon during the 10th century. Ibn Hauqal mentions Slavic pirates plundering the coast of Muslim Spain, and al-Masudi who mentions that against the inhabitants of al-Andalus (Muslim Spain) fight the Jalaliqa (Galicians), Ifranja (Franks), Nukabard (Lombards) and Saqaliba (Slavs). We also know that Croat and Dalmatian Slavs fought in the Byzantine fleet operating on the Adriatic and Yonian Sea, like it was the case in the expedition to Bari in the mid-9th century against the Arabs, who tried to establish a foothold there. The Slavic activity on the southern seas starts quite early; already in 526 a Slavic fleet attacks Constantinople from the sea, in 626 light Slavic boats appear on the Black Sea fighting on the side of the Avars against the Byzantine navy, in the 7th century Slavic pirates appear on both the Adriatic and Aegean Sea. Light Slavic ships control the northern coast of the Aegean Sea in the second half of the 7th century, attacking the Byzantine vessels transporting food from Saloniki to Constantinople; they even besieged Saloniki from the sea, the largest Byzantine port in the Aegean, and they laid waste to the Cyclades. In 623 Slavic pirates attack Crete (at about this time in the western part of which Slavs are known to have settled) and Asia Minor, and in 642 Apulia (the latter probably by Slavs from Dalmatia, where Slavic naval art developed very early). The alliance of the Slavic pirates with the Arabs mentioned by Abu'l-Fida'y was by no means the first one of its kind; Constantine Porphirogenetus reports that during the reign of Emperor Nicopherus in 805 or 807 Slavs attacked the city of Patras in the Peleponessus, together with "Saracens and Africans". The Slavs living on the shores of the Adriatic also displayed maritime inclanations; during a period of at least about 50 years during the 900's the Venetian Republic was reduced to a status of a virtual tributary of the Slavic pirates from the Adriatic littoral. The Croats and Neretvans fought most frequently against the Venetians; one Venetian Doge is known to have been killed in a battle against the latter. The Slavic raids on Italy also took place by land; these were pillaging raids launched on the north-estern part of the Lombard Kingdom, or military interventions made at the request of some Lombard factions involved in civil wars. For example, Arnefrit, the son of the late Lupus, Duke of Friulia, fled to the Slovenes (also knowns at that time as Garotans, Horutans, or Karantans, from Garota "cave" therefore Garotans would mean "inhabitants of lands with caves" - a very accurate description since there are numerous caves in southern Austria and Slovenia, where they lived at that time) after the Lombard King Grimoald refused to give him his deceased father's duchy. He returned to Friulia with a Slavic army, but was quickly killed in a clash with the Lombards. Not long after the Slavs again attacked Friulia but were defeated. In 701 Slavic raiders attack Friulian shepherds; a subsquent Lombard pursuit fails to catch them. Just a few days later, when new Slovene detachments enter Friulia, Duke Fergulf, along with the flower of the Friulian nobility, attacks them, but he is killed, together with most of his troops, while storming the Slavs' camp located on a hill. During the reign of King Liutprand (reigned 712-744), Duke Pemmo tried to eject a Slavic detachment from Friulia, but was forced to cease fighting and make peace. Just as it was the case in Sicily, Crete, and elsewhere, the Slavs sometimes combined raiding with permanent settlement; a few Slavic enclaves appear at about this time in north-eastern Italy. As we can see, during this age the Slavs were active raiders on both land and sea.

At last we should mention the Slavs who arrived in the Muslim Spain. These can be subdivided into two groups: one consisted of the slaves of Slavic origin who were recognized as a highly valued commodity there, and the other were Slavic warriors who voluntarily became mercenaries in the service of the Arabic rulers of Spain; the latter must have been surely attracted by the fabulous wealth of al-Andalus.

The Slavic slaves sold to Muslim Spain included female concubines for the harems of the rich Arabs who were especially valued for their light complexion and blond hair, and males, often brought in as young boys, who either became civil servants, palace servants, eunuchs at the above-mentioned harems, or, in the case of the physically strongest speciemen, troops of the elite Slavic Guards, which served as preatorian guards whose soldiers enjoyed special privileges, of Spain's Arabic rulers. It must be also added that part of the Slavic slaves who arrived in Spain were later transferred to other locations in the Muslim world, like North Africa and even Near East; in the former the existence of the Slavic Guards has also been confirmed (see below about the Slavic Guard at Nukur). (...)"

[EL_BARBARO]

From the article:

"(...) The Slavic pirates on the Mediterrenean Sea were not uncommon during the 10th century. Ibn Hauqal mentions Slavic pirates plundering the coast of Muslim Spain, and al-Masudi who mentions that against the inhabitants of al-Andalus (Muslim Spain) fight the Jalaliqa (Galicians), Ifranja (Franks), Nukabard (Lombards) and Saqaliba (Slavs). We also know that Croat and Dalmatian Slavs fought in the Byzantine fleet operating on the Adriatic and Yonian Sea, like it was the case in the expedition to Bari in the mid-9th century against the Arabs, who tried to establish a foothold there. The Slavic activity on the southern seas starts quite early; already in 526 a Slavic fleet attacks Constantinople from the sea, in 626 light Slavic boats appear on the Black Sea fighting on the side of the Avars against the Byzantine navy, in the 7th century Slavic pirates appear on both the Adriatic and Aegean Sea. Light Slavic ships control the northern coast of the Aegean Sea in the second half of the 7th century, attacking the Byzantine vessels transporting food from Saloniki to Constantinople; they even besieged Saloniki from the sea, the largest Byzantine port in the Aegean, and they laid waste to the Cyclades. In 623 Slavic pirates attack Crete (at about this time in the western part of which Slavs are known to have settled) and Asia Minor, and in 642 Apulia (the latter probably by Slavs from Dalmatia, where Slavic naval art developed very early). The alliance of the Slavic pirates with the Arabs mentioned by Abu'l-Fida'y was by no means the first one of its kind; Constantine Porphirogenetus reports that during the reign of Emperor Nicopherus in 805 or 807 Slavs attacked the city of Patras in the Peleponessus, together with "Saracens and Africans". The Slavs living on the shores of the Adriatic also displayed maritime inclanations; during a period of at least about 50 years during the 900's the Venetian Republic was reduced to a status of a virtual tributary of the Slavic pirates from the Adriatic littoral. The Croats and Neretvans fought most frequently against the Venetians; one Venetian Doge is known to have been killed in a battle against the latter. The Slavic raids on Italy also took place by land; these were pillaging raids launched on the north-estern part of the Lombard Kingdom, or military interventions made at the request of some Lombard factions involved in civil wars. For example, Arnefrit, the son of the late Lupus, Duke of Friulia, fled to the Slovenes (also knowns at that time as Garotans, Horutans, or Karantans, from Garota "cave" therefore Garotans would mean "inhabitants of lands with caves" - a very accurate description since there are numerous caves in southern Austria and Slovenia, where they lived at that time) after the Lombard King Grimoald refused to give him his deceased father's duchy. He returned to Friulia with a Slavic army, but was quickly killed in a clash with the Lombards. Not long after the Slavs again attacked Friulia but were defeated. In 701 Slavic raiders attack Friulian shepherds; a subsquent Lombard pursuit fails to catch them. Just a few days later, when new Slovene detachments enter Friulia, Duke Fergulf, along with the flower of the Friulian nobility, attacks them, but he is killed, together with most of his troops, while storming the Slavs' camp located on a hill. During the reign of King Liutprand (reigned 712-744), Duke Pemmo tried to eject a Slavic detachment from Friulia, but was forced to cease fighting and make peace. Just as it was the case in Sicily, Crete, and elsewhere, the Slavs sometimes combined raiding with permanent settlement; a few Slavic enclaves appear at about this time in north-eastern Italy. As we can see, during this age the Slavs were active raiders on both land and sea.

At last we should mention the Slavs who arrived in the Muslim Spain. These can be subdivided into two groups: one consisted of the slaves of Slavic origin who were recognized as a highly valued commodity there, and the other were Slavic warriors who voluntarily became mercenaries in the service of the Arabic rulers of Spain; the latter must have been surely attracted by the fabulous wealth of al-Andalus.

The Slavic slaves sold to Muslim Spain included female concubines for the harems of the rich Arabs who were especially valued for their light complexion and blond hair, and males, often brought in as young boys, who either became civil servants, palace servants, eunuchs at the above-mentioned harems, or, in the case of the physically strongest speciemen, troops of the elite Slavic Guards, which served as preatorian guards whose soldiers enjoyed special privileges, of Spain's Arabic rulers. It must be also added that part of the Slavic slaves who arrived in Spain were later transferred to other locations in the Muslim world, like North Africa and even Near East; in the former the existence of the Slavic Guards has also been confirmed (see below about the Slavic Guard at Nukur). (...)"

I didn't heard about "slavic" pirates, being sincere.

As far as I know, those slavic slaves were ordered by muslims to jews to be brought here in Spain.

I've even heard, many independent slavic muslim kinglets, once Al Andalus divided up in a myriade of small parts: the so-called muslim taifas, in the East of Spain mainly.

[Peterski]

I've even heard, many independent slavic muslim kinglets, once Al Andalus divided up in a myriade of small parts: the so-called muslim taifas, in the East of Spain mainly.

Yeah:

"(...) There was a great deal of animosity existing between the Berber and Slavic components of the caliphatic armies. Al-Mansur (Al-Manzor) brought large numbers of both "new" Berbers and Slavs to strengthen his armies in his many devastating campaigns against the Catholic states in the north, and it appears that a fierce competition arose between the two new arrivals. Perhaps these antagonisms started even before this time. The Berbers, who made up the bulk of the ordinary troops of the caliphatic armies must have surely resented the preferential treatment and privileged status the Slavs received from the caliphs, and from the Arab rulers in general. During the early part of the Taifa period there are recorded certain outbursts of hatred on the Berbers' part toward Slavs. For example, after a Berber faction seized the Taifa state of Cordoba, the Slavs living there were quickly compelled to leave it and seek refuge in the Slavic-ruled states on the eastern seaboard (in this case most likely Almeria and Murcia, since these two were the closest); thus, depopulating Cordoba from the Slavs, but, simultaneously, reinforcing the local Slavic element in the states already under Slavic rule. Perhaps not all Slavs made it though, a certain medieval Arabic writer mentions a tradition according to which some Slavs, after losing a local civil war, were thrown to a cave in vicinity of the settlement of Cabra, located near Cordoba. Perhaps this event precipitated the Slavic exodus from Cordoba. Surprisingly enough, the Berbers and Slavs were in many ways alike; they both dominated the military and administration, many of those in the military could not speak Arabic, their cultural levels were quite different from those of al-Andalus, they often did not settle on the land, they strongly retained their distinct racial identities, and, at least until the beginning of the Taifa Period, many did not become urbanized in spite of being encamped in vicinity of cities.

Eventually, the distinct racial identity of Muslim Spain's Slavs started to diminish. This process was already under way during the Taifa Period. But even afterwards the Slavs continued to play an important role in the local affairs, and are kept on being mentioned until and including the 12th century. It is not until the 13th century that all mentions of their presence disappear from the records; by that time they became completely assimilated into the local population, whose faith they went on to subsequently share. (...)"

[Melki]

Still trying to sell the donkey that you are a basque?

Why all Latinoamericans come in here in Europe trying to sell they are basque?

Look. Another peruvian assuring he's basque:


"I'm pure Basque from Orduña, joder!"

Yes, I'm a crafty Basco-French-German. Do I look Andid on the pictures I posted in the members picture thread? I'm even willing to prove it directly to you.
Where do you live in Spain? I'm more than seriously thinking about meeting you somewhere, in order to teach you good manners. How old are you, naughty barking bitch? Twenty-and-something like the others? Good, you need the father you missed all your life to kick your filthy ass.
Send me your adress via mp; and it will be a pleasure for me to pull your ears off.

[Sacrificed Ram]

One of my surnames tend to be related with slavs in Iberia.