Why do MENA people want to associate with Turks?

[RN97]

There are outliers like Gizem, OP or one of my friends that look Euro-like. I know this will trigger people causing personal attacks because they can't understand that reality is not my fault, but Norwegians and I'm sure most of the west consider Turkey a more liberal middle eastern country. You can boil it down to ignorance, but that's how the reality is. Norwegians wouldn't put Turks and Balkanites in the same category, but rather Turks with Kurds, Iranians and arabs. Looks wise this shouldn't be surprising as some Turks like to claim

Obviously you also have the ones clearly leaning more towards Europe, but the MENA-like Turks are more numerous. Turks were the ones that carried the torch for Islamism and it's clear that Islamist have a hard on for Ottoman turks


MENA, Balkans, eastern Europe, northern Europe etc. are all subjective and flexible divisions that can change. Today I'd say that putting Turkey in the same category as MENA countries makes the most sense. What Turks did in the Balkans, southern and central Europe alone disqualifies you from being Europeans in my eyes either way. Most Turks don't look like Europeans either way and most Turks IRL don't identify as Europeans.

[lameduck]

Forget it Arab. Turks dont cluster with MENA. I didnt say any Turk here on forum who has Levantines, Arabs, Armenians, Persians, Kurds on their top clusters. You are offended when we say we are not MENA it's because you want to Arabise Turks.

what do Turks look like what is closest Population to them in terms of looks?

[Böri]

what do Turks look like what is closest Population to them in terms of looks?

Like a blend of Azerbaijanians, Tatars and little Turkic communities from Kavkaz and a bit like Turkmenian central Asians.

[Kamal900]

Forget it Arab. Turks dont cluster with MENA. I didnt say any Turk here on forum who has Levantines, Arabs, Armenians, Persians, Kurds on their top clusters. You are offended when we say we are not MENA it's because you want to Arabise Turks.

"Because you want to Arabize the Turks"

Wow, is that what you got from it? Are you retarded or what? It's like saying that being White or European is Nordic. Listen, the middle east is inhabited by diverse ethnic groups, and Turks are one of these people. Let's go a bit deeper in the genetic structure of the middle east. The middle east is divided into two main clusters: one cluster belongs to the south-west Asiatics which consists of Arabians, Egyptians, Iraqis and most of the Levantine muslim populations like Palestinians, Jordanians and Syrians who they cluster the closest to North Africans like Berbers and East Africans like Ethiopians. The other cluster belongs to west Asiatics which consists of Turks, Azeris, Kurds, Iranians, Assyrians and Caucasians in general lke Armenians, Chechens and so on which of whom cluster the closest to Europeans and central Asiatics. Middle East =/= Arab, and middle easterners are diverse in both geneotype and phenotype. The fact that you deny being west Asiatic is being in denial of your genetic relationship in the region and to your west Asiatic neighbors in Iran, Mesopotamia and the Caucasus, not with Arabia or Egypt. Do you understand?

[Infinite]

I just found interesting that you put MENA = Arab. Kurds and Persians and Assyrians are also MENA. I said also I would mistake you for Kurdish I didnt say you are one. To be Kemalist you need be Turkish nationalist btw so I dont know if you are really more Kemalist than me. yeah... maybe. Anyway I dont want to be Arab like I dont want to be associated with Kurds, Persians, Afghans etc.

I am a Turkish nationalist. And Witness, to be honest you saw my pictures before i posted last week. After i posted my pictures you said i look like kurdish or persian. It was cool but you saw my pictures before that i posted last week so you just made that comment to prove i dont look Turkish. To claim you are all white or central asian or something. Im honest with you and i explained even my family if you ever read.

As it is im %100 more Turkish than you as im not Anatolian Turk who mixed so much. I know my family, my culture. I even explained to you patiently.

Im not Anatolian Turkish. I am Azerbajani Turkish. And my mother side are probably more close to Iran azeris- south azerbaijan. But thats not the subject. You saw my pictures before that and you know what i am already "Witness". You cant trigger me by saying that i look persian or kurdish. Kars is a diverse place. I m from the eastest place of Turkey where half olf the population are Azeris. Its only natural for people to look like each other. My grandmother from mother side has Kurdish blood for example. Yet she was getting angry if you say to her- she is dead now-. One of my uncle and 2 of my aunts are light skinned when the other 3 aunt and other uncle are brownish. Yet all my father side are light/white skinned people. Me and my sister are the only brownish ones on the father side. Yet mother side and father side all both azerbajiani turks. If you ask me its the weather, children of my cousin in Germany looks like German kids when she is married to a Black Sean.


Just want to share population of Kars by 1897
Turks and Azerbajiani Turks: 104.457
Armenians: 73.406
Kurds: 42.968
Caucasian Rums: 32,593
Russians: 22,327
Ukranians: 5.279
Polish: 3243
Jews: 1138
Lithuanian: 892
Persians: 568
Georgians: 543
Estonians: 455
Germans: 430

I posted my fathers pictures and they said he looks like central european. I didnt ever talk about it like you were talking franks claimed seljuks were germanic. I dont care about stuff like that. But if you wanna keep talking about people's pictures, you need to post your picture first. Then i will have talk with you.

As i must say; its not cool for a Turkish people to talk about skin colours as you are not an European racist. I dont want to be cluster with Islamic- Mena world as well. And i think this makes me more kemalsit than you as i seek more european values in my life. For a nationalist side; im saying Kemalist nationalism is a fail.

Eastest side of Turkey, do not forget. Proud Caucaus, Azerbaijani Turk.
https://www.google.com.tr/maps/place...07!4d43.388715

[Ylla]

Turks are lightest people in the region and they are most liberal too so people like to get close to them

whats so good about being light and liberal tho?

[Böri]

"Because you want to Arabize the Turks"

Wow, is that what you got from it? Are you retarded or what? It's like saying that being White or European is Nordic. Listen, the middle east is inhabited by diverse ethnic groups, and Turks are one of these people. Let's go a bit deeper in the genetic structure of the middle east. The middle east is divided into two main clusters: one cluster belongs to the south-west Asiatics which consists of Arabians, Egyptians, Iraqis and most of the Levantine muslim populations like Palestinians, Jordanians and Syrians who they cluster the closest to North Africans like Berbers and East Africans like Ethiopians. The other cluster belongs to west Asiatics which consists of Turks, Azeris, Kurds, Iranians, Assyrians and Caucasians in general lke Armenians, Chechens and so on which of whom cluster the closest to Europeans and central Asiatics. Middle East =/= Arab, and middle easterners are diverse in both geneotype and phenotype. The fact that you deny being west Asiatic is being in denial of your genetic relationship in the region and to your west Asiatic neighbors in Iran, Mesopotamia and the Caucasus, not with Arabia or Egypt. Do you understand?

I dont have any genetic relations with Mesopotamian Kurds, Armenians or Levantines like with Persians. You are still trying to convince me that I am MENA. Even your behaviour here proves OP is right that MENA people show great effort to drag Turks to their own side. Everybody knows me in the forum, I am not someone who seeks association with Greeks or Balkanians but I think you MENAs are happy to see when we clash with Greeks as obviously you take this as a sign we wanna be MENA. LOL No we dont want association with MENAs tbh.

[Ryujin]

whats so good about being light and liberal tho?

Here liberal means being free. Drinking alcohol, not wearing hijab, walking hand in hand with their lovers are totally alien things to them. They get jealous when they see those things in Turkish programmes. That's why they don't want Turkey to be associated with Europe.

It's like how everyone would like to have Ronaldo in their team... Because that would elevate the team's status. Having Turkey in the club means elevating the modernity of the region, they believe.

[Kamal900]

I dont have any genetic relations with Mesopotamian Kurds, Armenians or Levantines like with Persians. You are still trying to convince me that I am MENA. Even your behaviour here proves OP is right that MENA people show great effort to drag Turks to their own side. Everybody knows me in the forum, I am not someone who seeks association with Greeks or Balkanians but I think you MENAs are happy to see when we clash with Greeks as obviously you take this as a sign we wanna be MENA. LOL No we dont want association with MENAs tbh.

If you don't want to associate yourself to the middle east then it's fine with me. Just don't bring us up by opening up thread after thread demonizing us to gain acceptance and approval from outsiders, okay?

[Kamal900]

Here liberal means being free. Drinking alcohol, not wearing hijab, walking hand in hand with their lovers are totally alien things to them. They get jealous when they see those things in Turkish programmes.

That's called secularism, not liberalism. We also have these things here in the UAE like Dubai and Abu Dhabi as well.