Who left more genetic impact: The Normans in Sicily or the Venetians in Crete?

[Sikeliot]

I think that whatever Slavic input is in Greece is a result of the Grekomans, who were pretty much Bulgarians with ethnic Greek consciousness. But on the other hand, Bulgarians are not that much Slavic genetically.

What I mean is Greece shifts genetically more to NE Europe, than Sicily does to NW Europe. Call it Slavic or something else but it is the case.

Sicilians are genetically very close to Cretans and other Aegean islanders, though with a minor North African input.

[Lavrentis]

o nikiforos fokas efere slavous meta thn anakatalhpsh tou nhsiou

Swsto, eixe ferei kai Armenious kai afto to vlepeis apo onomasies xwriwn opws Armenoi, Armeniakos ktl. H diafora einai pws oi Armenioi htan epoikoi enw oi Slavoi htan oi idioi stratiwtes pou eixe xrhsimopoihsei sthn ekstratia nomizw.

[Voskos]

anyway concerning op's post i know a shitton of cretans with venetian surnames. also 7% R1B U152 in crete probably means something but the overall impact doesnt exceed 10% imo.

[Sikeliot]

anyway concerning op's post i know a shitton of cretans with venetian surnames. also 7% R1B U152 in crete probably means something but the overall impact doesnt exceed 10% imo.

I think y-dna I1 also is around 7% in Sicily, again with most of that concentrated in Trapani and extreme far western north coastal Palermo.

[Sikeliot]

In terms of actual autosomal DNA, my guess is that Norman input in the Sicilians who do have it, is probably around 5-10%. The same is true of the North African input which seems to be of equal magnitude.

[Voskos]

I think y-dna I1 also is around 7% in Sicily, again with most of that concentrated in Trapani and extreme far western north coastal Palermo.

yeah i noticed the sicilians you post every once in a while have very low "north sea" component compared to greeks.

[Sikeliot]

yeah i noticed the sicilians you post every once in a while have very low "north sea" component compared to greeks.

I posted a Thessalian today who had both high Baltic AND North Sea/Atlantic so they ended up very far north.

Dodecad K12b is usually good I think. When a Sicilian scores around 15%+ North Euro, chances are it's due to Norman input, but I've yet to see one exceed 20%. Most Sicilians on that calculator score 10-13%, with the lowest I've seen at 6% and the highest at 18%.

[Voskos]

thessalians are very WHG-shifted indeed. but its not necessarily slavic

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I posted a Thessalian today who had both high Baltic AND North Sea/Atlantic so they ended up very far north.

Dodecad K12b is usually good I think. When a Sicilian scores around 15%+ North Euro, chances are it's due to Norman input, but I've yet to see one exceed 20%. Most Sicilians on that calculator score 10-13%, with the lowest I've seen at 6% and the highest at 18%.

I score higher North Euro than avarage Sicilian. 20% North Euro on Dodecad k12b. Which comes from my Iberian ancestry.

[Voskos]

I score higher North Euro than avarage Sicilian. 20% North Euro on Dodecad k12b. Which comes from my Iberian ancestry.

looks like you're a viking aztec mix .