Who left more genetic impact: The Normans in Sicily or the Venetians in Crete?

[Sikeliot]

I think there is not more Slavic input in Crete than Norman in Sicily.

There was never any historical mentioned presence of Slavs in the Island,whereas Norman in Sicily there was even though it can be true what you say that
Normans didn't left much genetic traces there.

Normans did not leave much genetic input in Sicily. Any recent 'northern' input is more likely due to migration from the Italian mainland.

[Tauromachos]

Greek was spoken in Sicily until the 1600s also, but mostly around Enna, Syracuse, and Ragusa. If you listen to the accents and phonology of the Sicilian language you can hear how it is similar to Greek.

Ok,thats interesting

[brennus dux gallorum]

I think there is not more Slavic input in Crete than Norman in Sicily.

There was never any historical mentioned presence of Slavs in the Island,whereas Norman in Sicily there was even though it can be true what you say that
Normans didn't left much genetic traces there.

There are both toponyms and documents indicating Slavic immigration

The only part of Greece with zero recorded Slavic immigrants is the northeast Aegean

On contrary, I don't think that many Norman mercenaries had reasons to stay in Sicily

[Tauromachos]

There are both toponyms and documents indicating Slavic immigration

The only part of Greece with zero recorded Slavic immigrants is the northeast Aegean

So Rhodes and Cyprus have Slavs to..

[brennus dux gallorum]

So Rhodes and Cyprus have Slavs to..

Since the end of the antiquity, cyprus was not affected by the events in Greece proper, until some 15-19th century immigrations

For example aya Napa, was invented by some immigrants from thessaloniki, even though native Cypriots later obviously joined

I have no idea about Rhodes, for that reason I talked only about Crete and other Aegean islands, where some Slavic presence is recorded (yet weak)

[Inquizzzitor]

True, in many cases Venetians were worse than the Turks. And let's not forget the destruction of the Parthenon by a Venetian bomb, in 1687 by moron Morosini.

You jerk, that's because the evil Turks placed all their munitions stockpile INSIDE the Parthenon. The Venetians had no way of knowing that the whole structure would go ka-boom. The Turks were reckless and negligent and didn't give a fuck what happened to the Parthenon or any of the other buildings on the Acropolis. Please do not defend the Turks, after what they've done to Greeks, Armenians, Cypriots and everyone else who's unfortunate enough to share a border with them.

[Inquizzzitor]

Greek was spoken in Sicily until the 1600s also, but mostly around Enna, Syracuse, and Ragusa. If you listen to the accents and phonology of the Sicilian language you can hear how it is similar to Greek.

Actually, Greek was more recently spoken in Messina and in Messina Province. For example, neighborhoods in Messina proper still spoke Greek till quite recently (just like across the straight in Reggio di Calabria). Orthodox monasteries were functioning till the 1600/1700s in places like Monforte San Giorgio and Greek was spoken in the hilltowns around Messina until the decades following the Catholic Counter-Reformation, when the Church really stepped up its efforts to standardize religious practice and to make Byzantine parishes conform to Roman liturgics and customs.

It is also notable that Messina received the second highest number of Greeks after Venice, following the fall of Constantinople.

[Voskos]

The Venetians weren't saints either but the Turks, and more specifically the Oghuz settlers/soldiers, are mentioned as the ones with the most animalistic behaviour in Cretan history documents.

[Tauromachos]

There are both toponyms and documents indicating Slavic immigration

The only part of Greece with zero recorded Slavic immigrants is the northeast Aegean

On contrary, I don't think that many Norman mercenaries had reasons to stay in Sicily

And why should Slavs have reasons to stay in Crete?

[Lavrentis]

You jerk, that's because the evil Turks placed all their munitions stockpile INSIDE the Parthenon. The Venetians had no way of knowing that the whole structure would go ka-boom. The Turks were reckless and negligent and didn't give a fuck what happened to the Parthenon or any of the other buildings on the Acropolis. Please do not defend the Turks, after what they've done to Greeks, Armenians, Cypriots and everyone else who's unfortunate enough to share a border with them.

I agree with you, this idiot doesn't know what he's talking about.

You are very correct about what you said, that the Turks placed their munition inside the Parthenon. The Venetians didn't know about that.


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