Allah Takes Over Catholic Church.

[Cato]

Article from 2006, but.. Pictures are worth a thousand words.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1053

[Magister Eckhart]

Well, this is where "turn the other cheek" and "love thy enemy" gets you.

[Murphy]

Yea it's disgraceful.. and? Your government tolerates hundreds of thousands of illegals within its borders.

[Murphy]

Well, this is where "turn the other cheek" and "love thy enemy" gets you.

You're an intelligent fellow. So stop playing the fool.

[Magister Eckhart]

Yea it's disgraceful.. and? Your government tolerates hundreds of thousands of illegals within its borders.

Well, how would you describe the impetus of the Catholic church to offer "relief" to the invaders? The liberal ideals of egalitarianism, individualism, and the almighty market create our situation, and it's not a good one; these ideas, though, can find their root in the egalitarian forgiveness taught in early Christianity that is now re-emerging after years of being suppressed by positive warrior values assimilated in Christianity that were essentially at odds with the teachings of the Nazarene.

I'm not sure how foolish the notion that Christian forgiveness ultimately leads one down the path to a borderless world is, to be honest. I'd be delighted to hear your explanation for this, as a traditionalist Catholic.

[The Lawspeaker]

Well sorry to spoil your little authoritarian dream but it was the elite and big money aristocracy (hey... your buddies !) that brought them in. Not the egalitarians and individualists under us but sure as heck the Almighty Market.

And btw: any elite would love those people because there is no better way to control the rabble then by dividing them. And that's why they brought them in: for quick gain and control.

[Murphy]

Well, how would you describe the impetus of the Catholic church to offer "relief" to the invaders?

Sorry, find me, in any catechism of the Church, where it states it's a-ok for a Catholic to break the immigration laws of a state? You wont be able to find it because breaking the law is against Catholic teaching.

The liberal ideals of egalitarianism, individualism, and the almighty market create our situation, and it's not a good one; these ideas, though, can find their root in the egalitarian forgiveness taught in early Christianity that is now re-emerging after years of being suppressed by positive warrior values assimilated in Christianity that were essentially at odds with the teachings of the Nazarene.

Positive warrior values? I always find it amusing when these faceless pagans behind their PC screens go on about the warrior spirit and so on. I'm a big fan of Tolkien as well, but I know where to draw the line .

I'm not sure how foolish the notion that Christian forgiveness ultimately leads one down the path to a borderless world is, to be honest. I'd be delighted to hear your explanation for this, as a traditionalist Catholic.

The Church has always said render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. A state has a right to define the laws concerning its borders. Catholics must bow to the state here. They can have different opinions, but when they cross into breaking the law they are sinning.

It is clearly foolish to say that the virtues of Christian charity and forgiveness will lead to a borderless society. Unless of course you remove from them their proper Catholic context. If a man strikes me in his anger why should I not forgive him? I will defend my self if necessary of course. But I am also a man. Have I not also struck out in anger? In my ignorance have I not lashed out? Have you not?

These Christian virtues simply lead us away from the edge. How can we damn a man for a sin we ourselves have shared? If we are deserving of forgiveness and respect why aren't they?

Some would say if we truly showed respect we would have open borders. I ask how could that be so? Respect must be universal and not for select groups. What of the native population? Are they less deserved of respect because they are native to the land? What of their hungers and their needs? They deserve a stable living condition as much as any.

[Murphy]

Tristan's hit the nail in the head (though knowing my Dutch uncle here, he will disagree with my take on it ). It is the Capitalistic society that has created the opportunity for the Mohammedan to break Belgian law. A society born of a rejection of Catholic teaching. It is materialist, self-centred and atheistic.

It is this society that is leading to a borderless world.

Hardly Catholic in nature, eh?

[The Lawspeaker]

Tristan's hit the nail in the head (though knowing my Dutch uncle here, he will disagree with my take on it ). It is the Capitalistic society that has created the opportunity for the Mohammedan to break Belgian law. A society born of a rejection of Catholic teaching. It is materialist, self-centred and atheistic.

It is this society that is leading to a borderless world.

Hardly Catholic in nature, eh?

Coming from the South (Brabantic mother who was more Papist then the Pope himself) I would be inclined to say that materialism and self-centred behaviour are not particularly Catholic "virtues".

I don't agree with your take on the matter but I am willing to agree with you that the Catholic Church is not to blame for today's situation. And as Christians they have little choice but to shelter and feed them. It will be up to the State to kick the immigrants back to where they came from and if they did just that then the problems wouldn't exist.

[Murphy]

And as Christians they have little choice but to shelter and feed them. It will be up to the State to kick the immigrants back to where they came from and if they did just that then the problems wouldn't exist

I think their heart is in the right place, but they're just not thinking right. The Muslims probably need food and water. But would it not be better to provide them food and water in their own homelands? Where they can grow and give food and water in turn themselves to their neighbour and so on until they live in a healthy society?

The current situation helps no one. Think of the tax money that has went into the situation. Could it have saved a life if applied elsewhere? A state should not have to worry for its borders.