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Any info on E-Z16664?
Which is downstream from E-L17. Origin? A google search brings up hardly anything.
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MDLP K23B: Dutch + German-Volga + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.880189
Eurogenes K13:Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.292434
Dodecad v3:CEU + CEU + German + Orkney @ 1.508807
Harappaworld:n-european + n-european + orcadian + utahn-white @ 1.186455
puntDNAL K12 modern:Czech + Dutch_South + English_South + English_South @ 1.900828
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No I don't know
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near east probablyOriginally Posted by firemonkey
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No way. It is a clade of E-V13 which is a European clade of E1b1b
23andme: 100% Balkan https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...3andme-results
MyOrigins 2.0: 100% Southeast Europe
Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian
Eurogenes K36 oracle: 50.64% Albania_North+ 49.36% Kosovo. Population distance: 1) 1.27 Northern Albania&Kosovo
Ydna: J1-ZS241
Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*
The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...
- Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.
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Your clade apparently judging by what I have read isn't found in the Balkans but it is found in western European countries so maybe it is from Roman legionaries of western European origin and not Balkan
23andme: 100% Balkan https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...3andme-results
MyOrigins 2.0: 100% Southeast Europe
Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian
Eurogenes K36 oracle: 50.64% Albania_North+ 49.36% Kosovo. Population distance: 1) 1.27 Northern Albania&Kosovo
Ydna: J1-ZS241
Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*
The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...
- Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.
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Probably this, or perhaps Bell Beakers picked up a bit of E1b1b somewhere (no idea, just throwing suggestions).
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Looking back at the TMRCA of this clade which is 3100ybp it was around before the Roman empire and could of been a minor Celtic ydna as central Europe, west Europe and the British isles were dominated by the Celts and this clade seems to be a west Euro clade of E-V13 although the ancestor of E-Z16664, E-L17 which has a TMRCA of 3800ybp could be linked to the Bell beakers as a minor lineage among them so maybe your clade or its ancestors were already in the British isles before the Celts but got assimilated by them then forming Z16664 but idk this is speculation lol
Last edited by Kelmendasi; 07-29-2017 at 09:20 PM.
23andme: 100% Balkan https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...3andme-results
MyOrigins 2.0: 100% Southeast Europe
Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian
Eurogenes K36 oracle: 50.64% Albania_North+ 49.36% Kosovo. Population distance: 1) 1.27 Northern Albania&Kosovo
Ydna: J1-ZS241
Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*
The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...
- Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.
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Updated/edited info
23andme: 100% Balkan https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...3andme-results
MyOrigins 2.0: 100% Southeast Europe
Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian
Eurogenes K36 oracle: 50.64% Albania_North+ 49.36% Kosovo. Population distance: 1) 1.27 Northern Albania&Kosovo
Ydna: J1-ZS241
Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*
The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...
- Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.
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