Sarno et al 2017: South Italians and Greek islanders plot together.

[Argentano]

Interesting study

[Sikeliot]

Interesting study

Any surprises or more or less what you'd expect?

[Argentano]

Any surprises or more or less what you'd expect?

where is the link to the study?

[Tacitus]

Some notes:

1) Here's a more detailed PCA from the supplementary info. It doesn’t quite show southern Italians plotting with Greek islanders, but to the west (forming their own distinct, separate cluster), although there looks to be some amount of overlap between the two. Also of note, Ashkenazi Jews plot closer to islanders than to the south Italian cluster. The authors call it a continuum anyway, from Sicily to Cyprus, through Crete and the Dodecannese (their words).

Spoiler!

2) Per the coordinates provided in the supplementary info, here are the locations of where their mainland Greek samples came from (Additional mainland Greek samples came from Greek-American samples from the Geno 2.0 project FWIW):
Northern Greece: Grevena, West Macedonia (n=9)
Central Greece: Lamia (n=13)
Peloponnese: Tripoli (n=28)
I’m somewhat surprised that Peloponnesians plot where they do in this study given Stamatoyannopoulos et al, but the latter did use more samples from all over the region compared to Sarno. I wish they would have been available for this study.
3) It’s interesting how the Calabrian Greeks look to be a very isolated population compared to their counterparts in Salento. I think much of that comes down to geography since villages in the area are either high in the mountains or along the coast buttressed by said mountains, and as they mention, there’s a lot of potential for bottlenecking and drift.

4) Also interesting are how Arbereshe plot close to Ghegs even though they’re usually affiliated with Tosks due to many of them coming from south Albania, in addition to the fact when they arrived in Italy they were Greek Orthodox before morphing into Byzantine Catholics (as opposed to Ghegs who were Roman Catholic).

[Sikeliot]

where is the link to the study?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-01802-4

[Sikeliot]

I am enjoying seeing the ItalicRoots posters struggle to explain the results here. It is so funny.

[Voskos]

you were right about everything except about cypriots. they are not levantines as you claimed

[Sikeliot]

you were right about everything except about cypriots. they are not levantines as you claimed

What is also interesting is Sicilians and Aegean islanders are equidistant from Cypriots, because Sicilians better match them in Near East/Natufian but Aegean islanders better match them in Caucasus.

Cypriots seem to be closer in this study to South Italy/Crete/Aegean than to the Levant actually.

[caviezel]

so what does Racial Reality think of this study?

[Voskos]

What's going on with the Griko from Calabria? They have even less "European" than do Sicilians, Italian-speaking Calabrese, Cretans, and Dodecanese (GR_AEI).

whats interesting is Greeks from Salento apparently sharing a significant amount of IBD with Cretans.