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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Dream on boy. Anyways I doubt you would say this to an Albanians face. "Caucasian Albanian, aka Aghwan or Old Udi, is an extinct member of the Northeast Caucasian languages. It was spoken in Caucasian Albania, which stretched from current day south Dagestan to Azerbaijan. Linguists believe it is an early linguistic predecessor to the endangered North Caucasian Udi language." It has no relation to Albanian or any Indo-European language
    Dream on what?These genetic tests are interpreted you score 100% south-european just like any albanian here because you all originated from a small population as recent study proves,hence because these tests are done by comparision you score 100% south-european.
    Also,those people you get all throughout Europe in some genetics tests that you brag like Tuscans and germans?Those are your albanian thieves relatives,most albanians on TA are not even living in Albania,you are scoring each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    Dream on what?These genetic tests are interpreted you score 100% south-european just like any albanian here because you all originated from a small population as recent study proves,hence because these tests are done by comparision you score 100% south-european.
    Also,those people you get all throughout Europe in some genetics tests that you brag like Tuscans and germans?Those are your albanian thieves relatives.
    Explain why a lot of my matches are Germanics that score Scandinavian, western European and no SE European.
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    Albania,you are scoring each other.
    Retard it's due to marriages between clans. I match some Albanians on this forum due to my ancestors marrying women from their clans
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Yh. Although I have seen some sources say that they come from Ukraine. But Sarmatians/Scythians did invade that region many times
    Before Ukraine/ Poland it was Caucasus . They seem to of been Slavicized and absorbed Slavs. Today there are a people called Sorbs in Poland .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tee View Post
    Before Ukraine/ Poland it was Caucasus . They seem to of been Slavicized and absorbed Slavs. Today there are a people called Sorbs in Poland .
    Robocop seems to support this theory as he said that he believes that Croats come from Iranic people like Scythians
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

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    J-L283 is obviously European. The majority of J-L283 is of european origin. and the most basal ones are about 6000 YBP or 4000 BC which is before proto illyrians. The most basal one is a french belgium man but the majority basal are sardinian and some sublineage samples are albanian. The question is just which sublineages are albanian, But the croat sample is J-L283 like many albanians are. A good chunk of albanian have J-L283 and J-L283 is not a sizable Haplogroup in most ethnicities. Albanians have it though. Although greeks dont really score much J-L283

    samples with greek origin:
    J2b2a1-L283>Z590?
    Tripolis, Greece
    one unknown general greece

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>
    Peloponnis, Greece

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>Z2507>CTS3617>Z38240>Z38241>PH 1602>PH502>PH14
    Metsovo area, Greece

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>Z2507>Z638>Z1296>
    Unkown General Greece

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>Z2507>Z638>Z1296>Z1297>B440>Y2 3094?
    Athens, ca 1811-1871 Greece



    Albanian J-L283:
    Spaçi Tribe - Gurth Spaç, Mirditë, Albania
    Hoti tribe
    General unknown Albanian

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>Z2507>Z638>Z1296>PH2967>PH1751 ?
    Krasniqi Tribe (Albanian, Kosova
    Veliki Trnovac, Serbia; ethnic Albanian
    Shala Tribe - Strellc i Ulet, Kosove
    Oroshi Tribe - Orosh, Mirditë, Albania
    Thaçi Tribe - Koretin, Kamenicë, Kosova
    Kastrati Tribe - Kastrat, Shkodër Municip, Albania
    Selita-Vllaznia Beci. Zajs, Mirditë, Albania
    Gjon Kanari, b. 1827 and d. 1891, Kosovo

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>Z2507>Z638>Z1296>PH2967>PH1751 >Z38300> BigY-398275
    Veseli (Albanian, Kërçova, Kicevo)- Macadonia

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>Z2507>Z638>Z1296>PH2967>PH1751 >Z38300>
    Fani Tribe - Domgjon, Mirditë, Albania Albania

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>Z2507>Z638>Z1296>Z1297>B440>Y2 3094?
    Prek Gjelosh (Estimated 18th century) Albania
    Shkreli Tribe - Ducaj, Shkodër Municip, Albania Albania

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>Z2507>Z638>Z1296>Z1297>B440>Y2 3094>BigY-306834/YF08113 GD≤6/67
    Bulgarian,Trebish, Bulqizë District, Albania (says bulgarian but in albania)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    Dream on what?These genetic tests are interpreted you score 100% south-european just like any albanian here because you all originated from a small population as recent study proves,hence because these tests are done by comparision you score 100% south-european.
    Also,those people you get all throughout Europe in some genetics tests that you brag like Tuscans and germans?Those are your albanian thieves relatives,most albanians on TA are not even living in Albania,you are scoring each other.
    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...slavs-or-Latin

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    Weird but Most lebanese J-L283 are this lineage :
    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628(xZ2507)

    Lebanese J-L283 split about 4400 YPB?? 2400 BC???

    Implied that J-L283 went toward lebanon at that time period?
    What civilizations was at lebanon around 3300BC - Aprox 2400BC and what peoples were at war or interacting by lebanon

    Possible sea people?? Sardinian or possible cycladic people? Minoan Cyprus people? Proto illyrian? Says Illyrians were good with ships
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin View Post
    J-L283 is obviously European. The majority of J-L283 is of european origin. and the most basal ones are about 6000 YBP or 4000 BC which is before proto illyrians. The most basal one is a french belgium man but the majority basal are sardinian and some sublineage samples are albanian. The question is just which sublineages are albanian, But the croat sample is J-L283 like many albanians are. A good chunk of albanian have J-L283 and J-L283 is not a sizable Haplogroup in most ethnicities. Albanians have it though. Although greeks dont really score much J-L283

    samples with greek origin:
    J2b2a1-L283>Z590?
    Tripolis, Greece
    one unknown general greece

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>
    Peloponnis, Greece

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>Z2507>CTS3617>Z38240>Z38241>PH 1602>PH502>PH14
    Metsovo area, Greece

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>Z2507>Z638>Z1296>
    Unkown General Greece

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>Z2507>Z638>Z1296>Z1297>B440>Y2 3094?
    Athens, ca 1811-1871 Greece



    Albanian J-L283:
    Spaçi Tribe - Gurth Spaç, Mirditë, Albania
    Hoti tribe
    General unknown Albanian

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>Z2507>Z638>Z1296>PH2967>PH1751 ?
    Krasniqi Tribe (Albanian, Kosova
    Veliki Trnovac, Serbia; ethnic Albanian
    Shala Tribe - Strellc i Ulet, Kosove
    Oroshi Tribe - Orosh, Mirditë, Albania
    Thaçi Tribe - Koretin, Kamenicë, Kosova
    Kastrati Tribe - Kastrat, Shkodër Municip, Albania
    Selita-Vllaznia Beci. Zajs, Mirditë, Albania
    Gjon Kanari, b. 1827 and d. 1891, Kosovo

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>Z2507>Z638>Z1296>PH2967>PH1751 >Z38300> BigY-398275
    Veseli (Albanian, Kërçova, Kicevo)- Macadonia

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>Z2507>Z638>Z1296>PH2967>PH1751 >Z38300>
    Fani Tribe - Domgjon, Mirditë, Albania Albania

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>Z2507>Z638>Z1296>Z1297>B440>Y2 3094?
    Prek Gjelosh (Estimated 18th century) Albania
    Shkreli Tribe - Ducaj, Shkodër Municip, Albania Albania

    J2b2a1-L283>Z590>Z585>Z628>Z2507>Z638>Z1296>Z1297>B440>Y2 3094>BigY-306834/YF08113 GD≤6/67
    Bulgarian,Trebish, Bulqizë District, Albania (says bulgarian but in albania)
    This guy is actually from my clan and his surname is Rukaj, a part of my clan seems to be J2b2-Y23094 and R1b-BY611 but these two haplogroups aren't originally Kelmendi as the main Kelmendi haplogroup is E-V13>CTS9320>Z16988 which means that the J2b2 and R1b in my clan joined the clan and funny thing is that all the J2b2 in my clan is from the Nikc brotherhood. Also the Bulgarian guy is of Albanian origin. Other people with J2b2 that are Albanian are Celaj(J2b2-Y23094) and Senaj(J2b2-Y23094)
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lek View Post
    Some relations with the Tosk dialect,most of them coming from Latin

    rhotacism(n-r)

    Latin fenestra,Romanian fereastra


    the vowels turned to schwa,like in Catalan,Occitan and Southern Italian,see Lupophantana,instead of Lupofontana.

    https://books.google.ro/books?id=nt0...antana&f=false

    Latin b,preserved in Romanian and Tosk

    R. abur,T. abull,G. avull

    substratum

    Tosk va,instead of Gheg vo,see vatra,hearth.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_dialects

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