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    Portugal was not for 800 years under arabic rule. Spain was partially, but also not for 800, it was for >750 years.

    both culture and language of Iberia is European, the way all cultures in Europe are European.

    Also, foreign rule is not the only factor that can cause influence, several types exchanges can cause influence too, for example many "traditional english" dishes have Indian origins.

    after all, no european nation, maybe except of northern french and north Italians have esceped foreign non european rule in history

    As for race and mentality, I guess no, there was no influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    Portugal was not for 800 years under arabic rule. Spain was partially, but also not for 800, it was for >750 years.

    Anyway, there may be insignificant cultural and linguistic influences, but still both culture and language of Iberia is European, the way all cultures (maybe except of 1-2 islamic cultures) and languages (maybe except of uralic) in Europe are European.

    Also, foreign rule is not the only factor that can cause influence, several types exchanges can cause influence too, for example many "traditional english" dishes have Indian origins.

    after all, no european nation, maybe except of northern french and north Italians have esceped foreign non european rule

    As for race and mentality, I guess no, there was no influence.
    Indeed considering that most of the "moors" that got kicked out of Spain were ethnic Muslim Iberians themselves, so the Berbers and the Arabs were mostly just the ruling elite like the Goths before them. Iberians genetically are virtually unchanged for thousands of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veneda View Post
    gitarra and paella probably. they sound moroccan with algerian infuence
    Guitarra (at least try to write it properly; it is funny that without even knowing how to write it you think you know its origin ) and paella have literally nothing to do with Morocco and Algeria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veneda View Post
    gitarra and paella probably. they sound moroccan with algerian infuence
    Trovadoresque music from that period doesn't sound very Moroccan, and paella is just rice with sea food, if paella is moorish then every dish with rice is moorish. But you never know, maybe the OP could enlighten me.

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    Noooo, absolutely no Moorish influence.

    This garden is a pure example of Viking style.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    By all means, let's discuss this yet again.

    Which are the musical instruments and dishes that are similar to Algeria and Morocco?
    Not necessarily Algerian and Morrocan but Arabic. Some instruments that I can think of: antufe, anafil, guzla, nakib.

    Some food influences: gazpachos, nougat and some Arabic products such as sugar cane and citrics.

    I'm strong in my opinion that Iberia is a whole different world from the Arabs, the reason I made this post is for people to realize that some little similarities don't mean cultural similarities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    Portugal was not for 800 years under arabic rule. Spain was partially, but also not for 800, it was for >750 years.

    Anyway, there may be insignificant cultural and linguistic influences, but still both culture and language of Iberia is European, the way all cultures (maybe except of 1-2 islamic cultures) and languages (maybe except of uralic) in Europe are European.

    Also, foreign rule is not the only factor that can cause influence, several types exchanges can cause influence too, for example many "traditional english" dishes have Indian origins.

    after all, no european nation, maybe except of northern french and north Italians have esceped foreign non european rule in history

    As for race and mentality, I guess no, there was no influence.
    This post is a total nonsense and lacks any trace of sense.

    There is literally zero Arabic influence in Spain and linguistically there are only 1300 words (the 2,9% of the total) which come from the Arabic but most of them are not used. We have more Amerindian words, which actually we do use it, than Arabic.
    Greek for example has much more Turkish-Arabic-Persian words than Spanish.

    For last, saying that Northern France and Northern Italy escaped to a non-European foreign rule is false too.
    Attila conquered both places, Hannibal Northern Italy and Sarracens too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melki View Post
    Noooo, absolutely no Moorish influence.

    This garden is a pure example of Viking style.

    That garden is a pure example of Roman style combined with Pre-Roman style (the archs).
    You are not more ignorant because you can not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    This post is a total nonsense and lacks any trace of sense.

    There is literally zero Arabic influence in Spain and linguistically there are only 1300 words (the 2,9% of the total) which come from the Arabic but most of them are not used. We have more Amerindian words, which actually we do use it, than Arabic.
    Greek for example has much more Turkish-Arabic-Persian words than Spanish.

    For last, saying that Northern France and Northern Italy escaped to a non-European foreign rule is false too.
    Attila conquered both places, Hannibal Northern Italy and Sarracens too.
    Greek has 300 Turkish words dude, most of them associated with army and administration, but i would never deny it, you are just wrong to say that we have more. Also, how did we gain arab words?

    having a non-European rule in the past doesn't make you less European, there is no reason to deny something that happened in the past, especially when that lead you to glories

    anyway, when i wrote about that i was thinking attila's conquest in everything except of Northern france

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Guitarra (at least try to write it properly; it is funny that without even knowing how to write it you think you know its origin ) and paella have literally nothing to do with Morocco and Algeria.
    I was kidding Sir, but thanks for explaniation

    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    Trovadoresque music from that period doesn't sound very Moroccan, and paella is just rice with sea food, if paella is moorish then every dish with rice is moorish. But you never know, maybe the OP could enlighten me.
    You see, 'rice' is a magic word

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