Muslims must kill all Jews

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I disagree. First off, there is no European culture or way of thought. The average French and Ukranian guy, or Swedish and Greek guy have culturally very little in common. The existence of so-called European culture is a myth.

An Ukrainian, Greek, and Swede share a common ground: the values and cultural reference points instilled in them from a Christian cultural background. Despite belonging to different Christian sects and different historical narratives all three can relate to each other based on the common core values. A Greek and Ukrainian living in Sweden will have an easier time than a Syrian (Muslim or Christian who lived following local social norms). There is going to be cultural differences but not at the core values. You don't need to explain to either a Swede, Greek, or Ukrainian that particular behaviors are not acceptable. It's already understood that it's unacceptable.

Also, not even some Christians adher to your concept. The average South Slavic or Albanian Christian has more cultural similarity to his Muslim neighbors and to Turks then with, say, Germans.

That would be an example of Christian core values being in competition with different core values and losing. In an environment that is violent there is little room for values that aren't anti-social. The rest of Europe was a violent place as well but gradually with the state having a monopoly on violence and with the promotion of Christian values there was a decline in anti-social behavior.

[The Destroyer]

An Ukrainian, Greek, and Swede share a common ground: the values and cultural reference points instilled in them from a Christian cultural background. Despite belonging to different Christian sects and different historical narratives all three can relate to each other based on the common core values. A Greek and Ukrainian living in Sweden will have an easier time than a Syrian (Muslim or Christian who lived following local social norms). There is going to be cultural differences but not at the core values. You don't need to explain to either a Swede, Greek, or Ukrainian that particular behaviors are not acceptable. It's already understood that it's unacceptable.



That would be an example of Christian core values being in competition with different core values and losing. In an environment that is violent there is little room for values that aren't anti-social. The rest of Europe was a violent place as well but gradually with the state having a monopoly on violence and with the promotion of Christian values there was a decline in anti-social behavior.

Balkan Christians are free the last 150 years and nothing has changed yet. Most of them have a very similar mentality to Bosniaks, Muslim Albanians or Turks, they are patriarchal, conservative and very violent. In the last 150 years of freedom, they could've changed if they wanted to, nobody held a gun to their heads. Yet they didn't.

[Bosniensis]

An Ukrainian, Greek, and Swede share a common ground: the values and cultural reference points instilled in them from a Christian cultural background. Despite belonging to different Christian sects and different historical narratives all three can relate to each other based on the common core values. A Greek and Ukrainian living in Sweden will have an easier time than a Syrian (Muslim or Christian who lived following local social norms). There is going to be cultural differences but not at the core values. You don't need to explain to either a Swede, Greek, or Ukrainian that particular behaviors are not acceptable. It's already understood that it's unacceptable.



That would be an example of Christian core values being in competition with different core values and losing. In an environment that is violent there is little room for values that aren't anti-social. The rest of Europe was a violent place as well but gradually with the state having a monopoly on violence and with the promotion of Christian values there was a decline in anti-social behavior.

Let see it this way. I have a relative who is Orthodox Christian but is of our tribe (distant relative).

He said: If any Christian tries anything against you I will chop his head off.

You see, he serves Christian values, but would rather kill you or any other European to protect me.

That's how we work on Balkans (in some cases we are killing ourselves, in other we are protecting ourselves ).

We don't like each other, but none of us love Germans.

[Seya]

Let see it this way. I have a relative who is Orthodox Christian but is of our tribe (distant relative).

He said: If any Christian tries anything against you I will chop his head off.

You see, he serves Christian values, but would rather kill you or any other European to protect me.

That's how we work on Balkans (in some cases we are killing ourselves, in other we are protecting ourselves ).

We don't like each other, but none of us love Germans.

that's a normal behavior for a family member. i don't see how's the religion or ethnicity even relevant here.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Let see it this way. I have a relative who is Orthodox Christian but is of our tribe (distant relative).

He said: If any Christian tries anything against you I will chop his head off.

You see, he serves Christian values, but would rather kill you or any other European to protect me.

That's how we work on Balkans (in some cases we are killing ourselves, in other we are protecting ourselves ).

We don't like each other, but none of us love Germans.

Refer to what I said about the Balkans in the post you quoted..

You belong to a tribe? Any references to tribes or clans is a cultural throwback. It means the group has been culturally stagnant (most likely because of isolation) and so it's stuck in a cultural time warp.

[Bosniensis]

that's a normal behavior for a family member. i don't see how's the religion or ethnicity even relevant here.

Well we are all family members on Balkans, that's the point.

We aren't Turkish Muslims who conquered Balkan.

We all share the same last names (Croats, Serbs, Bosnians, Montenegrins)
We all speak the same language etc..

As a Natives we decide what are "European Values"

[Bosniensis]

Refer to what I said about the Balkans in the post you quoted..

Point is, European Values are those Values certain group of Europeans are willing to protect.
So if you have few million Europeans protecting certain values, you can't call them foreigners.

In my case, Even Christian who do see ma as Muslim would protect me cause he knew that I belong
to his community, in that case (family).

But he would never protect Turks, Arab or somebody else under any circumstance, even if they were Christian themselves.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Point is, European Values are those Values certain group of Europeans are willing to protect.
So if you have few million Europeans protecting certain values, you can't call them foreigners.

In my case, Even Christian who do see ma as Muslim would protect me cause he knew that I belong
to his community, in that case (family).

A Christian would be expected to keep you from harm. Obviously he shouldn't kill someone to do it if it can be avoided.

But he would never protect Turks, Arab or somebody else under any circumstance, even if they were Christian themselves.

His personal bias keeps him from behaving as a Christian.

Anyway, you're missing the point. I'm speaking of core cultural values that are based on Christianity that is part of the foundation of European morality. The Balkans falls outside of the mainstream of European cultural norms because of historical reasons. The Balkans is a cultural throwback to how Europeans typically were in the past (I touched on this in one of my previous posts).

[The Destroyer]

Refer to what I said about the Balkans in the post you quoted..

You belong to a tribe? Any references to tribes or clans is a cultural throwback. It means the group has been culturally stagnant (most likely because of isolation) and so it's stuck in a cultural time warp.

Serbs, Montenegrins and Albanians are the last 3 nations in Europe who have tribes, I believe. I kinda envy them, because tribe system is pretty weak in Bosniaks.

[Bosniensis]

A Christian would be expected to keep you from harm. Obviously he shouldn't kill someone to do it if it can be avoided.



His personal bias keeps him from behaving as a Christian.

Anyway, you're missing the point. I'm speaking of core cultural values that are based on Christianity that is part of the foundation of European morality. The Balkans falls outside of the mainstream of European cultural norms because of historical reasons. The Balkans is a cultural throwback to how Europeans typically were in the past (I touched on this in one of my previous posts).

Cultural values on Balkans are Byzantine-Ottoman mixture.

You are wrong if you think that people here behave like British, Franks, Italians etc...

For that reason (and cultural difference) people here can't get along with EU member states.

For example: Serbs are extremely stubborn people, you can't force them to change their mind even if that would benefit them.

Spiegel once wrote: "If we ever accept Serbs in EU, we will have to argue with their issues from 12 century for days, weeks, years cause they always live in the past".

same goes for Bosnians, Montenegrins..

Montenegrins are still arguing about their royality with Serbs.

Who still fighting about royaltiy in Europe?