Telegraph: Europe (Greece) was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa.

[wvwvw]

The Ursula and the other mutations probably occurred in Cyprus and Palestine. The Ursula's left for Greece and everyone else moved into the caucuses and mutated some more. I should have stated that is was Homo-Sapiens-Sapiens Europus I was referring to.

Velda, Tara, and Katrine were daughters of Homo-Sapiens-Sapiens Europus. Some Ursula's migrated north and met up with the Velda's, Tara's, and Katrine's and combined with them, but not many.

In 6000-5000 BC near the end of last Ice age the Hellads en-mass conquered Syria-Palestine. The Hellads were already there first, 30,000 years earlier than anyone else.

The DNA profile shows more Ursula's in the middle east than in Greece yet they originated in Greece. They must have been expelled.

What we need is a coloration with archeology and historical accounts. The account of Solon/Plato calls the Equatai (Atlantians) Barbarians. Herodotus tells us that even the Ionians were considered Barbarians.

Taken in correct context this means that the Ionians and Equatai were not considered to be Achaeans.
The Biblical account places Ion as father of Hellene and of the Rhodians, Thracians and Cretans/Cypriots . The Greek account makes Ion Hellenes Grandson and also mentions an Io (Ioun) who was the ancestor of Cadmus and Europe. This means that the were many Ursula related migrations occurring at different times.

Greece had a comply different climate and a rich soil in 1800 BC before the Thera eruption and this is also recorded by Solon/Plato. The Archaeology shows evidence of a migration in 2200 BC and a second wave in 1800.

The DNA shows that although the population of Greece was all Ursula and then Ursula-Jasmine, the population becomes dominated by Helena's.

Between 1800 and 1650 the Achaeans conqured the Ionians also known as Equatai in Mycenaean Greek or Ekwash in Hittite and force them out of Europe. They fled to Egypt and were known there as the Hyksos.

The Achaeans were stronger than the Equatai, but the Equatai were stronger than the Egyptians. They had Chariot Warfare and trained Horses. The Egyptians did not.

[Óttar]

Greek DNA has remained unchanged and untouched by any migrations since 7.2 million years ago:

Raine thumbed this up. I think he's insulting you. lol.

[catgeorge]

Greek DNA has remained unchanged and untouched by any migrations since 7.2 million years ago:

I can feel Litvin's pain.... noooo Europe is Polish

[wvwvw]

A reasonable theory

50,000 years ago the first Homo-Sapiens came to Europe and settle in Northern Greece (Hellads). 20,000 years ago a branch of these occpied the
Iberian Alps (Iberians) and 10,000 years ago a different branch occupied Phoenicia/Syria-Palestine.

Before the last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago the Hellads of Northern Greece migrated northwards and westwards along the Mediterranean coast. Not many of them though.

10,000 years ago the Hellad-Phoenicians sailed across to Cyprus then to Crete and along the coasts of the Mediterranean.

In 6000-5000 BC near the end of last Ice age the Hellads en-mass conquered Syria-Palestine and the Hellad-Phoenicians and subsumed them in equal numbers.

At about the same time 50% of the Hellads were driven out of northern Greece by Iberians who migrated there from Iberia.

In about 2200 BC the Hellads who spoke a Proto-Ionian Greek dialect migrated accoross Anatolia and built pre-Homeric Troy. Then they moved to the Cycaldes and founded their capital on the volcanic island of Thara and in the proces conqured most of Europe including Crete, Eturia, and Lybia.

In 1800 BC another wave of Iberians migrated into Greece and founded the Achaean civilisation.

Between 1800 and 1650 the Achaeans conqured the Ionians also known as Equatai in Mycenaean Greek or Ekwash in Hittite and force them out of Europe. They fled to Egypt and were known there as the Hyksos.

Crete was liberated of Ionian rule and the Minoan civilisation evolved in Crete from the Helladic population that remained.

In 1628 the Thera volcano erupted and almost destroyed Achaean civilisation based around Athens and didn't to the Minoans much good either.

The Acheans migrated to Mycenae and founded Argos. The Myceaneans colonized Crete in 1500-1450 BC. A number of Mycenaean's settled in Lybia, and Egypt. They also settled in Palestine.

In 1210 BC the Mycenaeans were conquered by Ionians or Equatai that returned from Asia Minor, the Pelopids. In about 1195 the Mycenaean's colonized Crete fleeing the Pelopids. In 1183 the Mycenaean's conquered Cyprus. In 1103 BC the Helladic-Iberian population of northern Greece known as the Dorians or Heraklids migrated south and conquered the Pelopids.

[Peterski]

[catgeorge]

I can see the resemblance when you can accept our superiority (that just gains momentum century after century) as they say only winners write history and we have plenty of history to write

[Peterski]

^^^ But this discovery means that all humans are Greeks, catgeorge.

Present-day Greeks are just the ones who were too lazy to emigrate.

[Kamal900]

Hmm, I still think that more research needs to be done before making any hasty conclusions. Early Hominids weren't just lived in Africa, and the earliest Homo Sapiens lived in Africa, and the ancestors of Eurasians split from the ancestors of Blacks or SSAs around a 100,000 years ago before they left Africa.

[catgeorge]

^^^ But this discovery means that all humans are Greeks, catgeorge.

Present-day Greeks are just the ones who were too lazy to emigrate.

I disagree that all humans are Greeks.

There are still to this day the difference between Greeks and barbarians and still true to this day. What we have done is attempt to make people more human.

Like water coming out of a hose

[wvwvw]

So Raine was right that Native Americans are descended from Greeks?

Damn, even Slavs and Albanians are apparently descended from Greeks!

Finding in many places lighted some parts of prehistory showing that Greece was the place were civilization started, thousands of years before the era of the classic Greece.

Primitive Humans Conquered Sea, Surprising Finds Suggest
Prehistoric axes found on a Greek island suggest that seafaring existed in the Mediterranean more than a hundred thousand years earlier than thought.
By Heather Pringle, for National Geographic magazine

Surprisingly old hand axes have been found on the Greek island of Crete, at center in this composite of satellite images.

It wasn't supposed to happen like this.

Two years ago a team of U.S. and Greek archaeologists were combing a gorge on the island of Crete (map) in Greece, hoping to find tiny stone tools employed by seafaring people who had plied nearby waters some 11,000 years ago.

Instead, in the midst of the search, Providence College archaeologist Thomas Strasser and his team came across a whopping surprise—a sturdy 5-inch-long (13-centimeter-long) hand ax.

Knapped from a cobble of local quartz stone, the rough-looking tool resembled hand axes discovered in Africa and mainland Europe and used by human ancestors until about 175,000 years ago. This stone tool technology, which could have been useful for smashing bones and cutting flesh, had been relatively static for over a million years.

Crete has been surrounded by vast stretches of sea for some five million years. The discovery of the hand ax suggests that people besides technologically modern humans—possibly Homo heidelbergensis—island-hopped across the Mediterranean tens of thousands of millennia earlier than expected.

Many researchers have hypothesized that the early humans of this time period were not capable of devising boats or navigating across open water. But the new discoveries hint that these human ancestors were capable of much more sophisticated behavior than their relatively simple stone tools would suggest.

"I was flabbergasted," said Boston University archaeologist and stone-tool expert Curtis Runnels. "The idea of finding tools from this very early time period on Crete was about as believable as finding an iPod in King Tut's tomb."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...terranean-sea/