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    Default Graecopithecus: Mais antigo ancestral humano pode ser originário da Europa

    Data 22.05.2017
    Autoria Hannah Fuchs

    Mais antigo ancestral humano pode ser originário da Europa

    Contrariando teoria em circulação de que primeiros pré-humanos vêm da África, cientistas da Alemanha estimam que espécie Graecopithecus freybergi seria ainda mais antiga e oriunda do leste do Mediterrâneo.



    Maxilar é um de dois fósseis conhecidos do hominídeo "El Graeco"

    As linhagens genealógicas dos chimpanzés e dos seres humanos possivelmente se separaram na Europa, e não na África. Além disso, esse passo evolutivo teria ocorrido algumas centenas de milhares de anos antes do que se costuma pensar.

    A equipe de cientistas liderada por Madelaine Böhme, do Senckenberg Centre for Human Evolution and Paleoenvironment (HEP), em Tübingen, na Alemanha, apresentou essas ideias inovadoras na revista especializada PLOS One.

    Como ponto de partida, examinaram os únicos restos conhecidos do hominídeo Graecopithecus freybergi, apelidado "El Graeco" pelos pesquisadores: fósseis de um maxilar encontrado na Grécia e de um dente originário da Bulgária.


    Dente do Graecopithecus freybergi, com raízes unidas, aponta para parentesco com ser humano moderno

    Mais velho que o antigo

    A conclusão de que se trataria de uma espécie pré-humana até então desconhecida parte do fato de as raízes dentárias serem basicamente fundidas, uma característica do ser humano e de seus ancestrais extintos. Entre os primatas, elas são, em geral, separadas.

    "Nós mesmos ficamos surpresos com os nossos resultados, pois até então só se conheciam pré-humanos da África ao sul do Saara", comentou Jochen Fuss, um dos integrantes da equipe. A análise dos sedimentos no local em que os fósseis foram encontrados revelou que o maxilar data de 7,175 milhões de anos, e o dente de 7,24 milhões.

    Os achados paleontológicos são, portanto, ainda mais velhos do que o mais antigo pré-homem conhecido até então: o Sahelanthropus, da África, com 6 milhões a 7 milhões de anos de idade. A conclusão então seria que a linha evolutiva dos chimpanzés e dos pré-humanos ocorreu mais cedo do que se cria, e não na África, mas no leste do Mediterrâneo.

    Deste modo, a usual "East Side Story", segundo a qual os antepassados humanos teriam se desenvolvido no Leste Africano, é colocada em cheque por uma "North Side Story", resumiu Madelaine Böhme, ao apresentar os resultados em Tübingen, ressalvando: "Espero reações veementes, espero muita contestação."

    Uma outra história do Saara

    Para sustentar sua tese, a cientista anunciou que analisará a alimentação do Graecopithecus freybergi. Além disso buscará indícios da existência de pré-humanos fora da África, no Irã, Iraque e possivelmente no Líbano.

    "A separação entre os antepassados hominídeos do homem e os grandes macacos é mal documentada", observa Jean-Jacques Hublin, diretor da seção Evolução Humana do Instituto Max Planck de Antropologia Evolutiva, sediado em Leipzig, que não participou da pesquisa. "Não é a primeira vez que se sugere um pré-humano em meio ao rico patrimônio fóssil da Europa Meridional."


    Madelaine Böhme (dir.) realizou escavações na Bulgária

    A equipe de Böhme deduz que alterações ambientais drásticas teriam precipitado a dissociação da linha evolutiva. Nos sedimentos do local do achado, eles detectaram um silte mineral vermelho e fino, característico da poeira do deserto, que pensam ser originário do Norte da África.

    Além disso, encontrou-se uma alta concentração de diferentes sais. "Esses dados poderiam indicar, pela primeira vez, que o Saara se expandiu 7,2 milhões de anos atrás, soprando sua poeira vermelha e rica em sais até o litoral norte do Mar Mediterrâneo da época", explicou Böhme.

    Também na Europa, mudanças climáticas teriam causado o alastramento de uma paisagem de savana. Os pesquisadores encontraram, nos sedimentos em volta do "El Graeco", resquícios de plantas características, assim como fósseis de antepassados dos atuais girafas, gazelas, antílopes e rinocerontes, explica o coautor Nikolai Spassov, da Academia Búlgara de Ciências.

    Não se sabe que aparência tinham esses ancestrais humanos, completa Madelaine Böhme. As proporções do maxilar indicam que "El Graeco" seria do porte de um chimpanzé-fêmea moderno, pesando cerca de 40 quilos.

    http://www.dw.com/pt-br/mais-antigo-...opa/a-38941355

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    It wasn't a Homo Sapien meaning that Humans themselves probably came out from Africa, although this is interesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    It wasn't a Homo Sapien meaning that Humans themselves probably came out from Africa, although this is interesting
    It was hominin

    The last common ancestor we shared with chimps seems to have lived in the eastern Mediterranean – not in East Africa as generally assumed.

    Go back 12 or more million years ago and Europe was an ape’s paradise. But, about 10 million years ago, environmental conditions deteriorated and the European apes began to disappear. Apes became largely confined to Africa, splitting there into gorillas, chimpanzees and humans.

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    Spassov and his colleagues – including Madelaine Böhme at the University of Tübingen in Germany and David Begun at the University of Toronto, Canada – now think the tooth belongs to an ape called Graecopithecus that clung on in eastern Europe long after the other apes had disappeared from the continent. What’s more, the team says, Graecopithecus was no ordinary ape – it was a hominin.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article...pe-not-africa/

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    And then there's the 700,000 year old remains that were found at Petralona cave.

    Academics who have analyzed the Petralona remains say that the cranium of the Archanthropus of Petralona belongs to an archaic hominid distinguished from Homo erectus, and from both the classic Neanderthals and anatomically modern humans, but showing characterists of all those species and presenting strong European traits. A skull dating back 700,000 which is either Homo sapien or part Homo sapien is in direct conflict with the Out of Africa theory of human evolution.


    Petralona cave

    Its discovery in 1959 opened a window into prehistoric times. Today, it is the most important of Greece’s 12,000 caves, thanks to its wealth of fossils (one of the richest collections in Europe) and to the discovery, around half a century ago, of the oldest human remains ever found in Greece.

    The skull’s anatomical characteristics indicate that it belonged to a figure transitioning from homo erectus to homo sapiens. Today, after much research and debate, it is believed to be 200,000 years old. The skull represented an important piece in the puzzle of human evolution. It is now considered the “Parthenon of paleontology” and has been studied by some of the greatest paleoanthropologists in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    It was hominin

    The last common ancestor we shared with chimps seems to have lived in the eastern Mediterranean – not in East Africa as generally assumed.

    Go back 12 or more million years ago and Europe was an ape’s paradise. But, about 10 million years ago, environmental conditions deteriorated and the European apes began to disappear. Apes became largely confined to Africa, splitting there into gorillas, chimpanzees and humans.

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    Spassov and his colleagues – including Madelaine Böhme at the University of Tübingen in Germany and David Begun at the University of Toronto, Canada – now think the tooth belongs to an ape called Graecopithecus that clung on in eastern Europe long after the other apes had disappeared from the continent. What’s more, the team says, Graecopithecus was no ordinary ape – it was a hominin.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article...pe-not-africa/
    Yes but other things like genetics prove that Humans came out of Africa, Ydna and Mtdna are evident of this as they trace down paternal and maternal lineages all the way out of Africa. Just because a Hominid was found in Europe it doesn't mean that Humans come from Europe. Thing is that species closer to Humans than this Hominid like Neanderthals, Denisovans and Homo Erectus all came out of Africa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
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    Probably a form of Neanderthal
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    This theory is all proven wrong by the human migrations into Europe, for example the first wave of hunter-gatherers into Europe and the second wave of Neolithic farmers into Europe
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    Another interesting discovery (I wonder if these footprints are really so old):

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0831134221.htm

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    North Side Story interesting.
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