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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    Yes, it can, It is called Paternal mitochondrial transsmission.
    I wasn't even aware the same as you, until I spoke with a
    genetist who did enlighten me about that stuff
    . And he is
    even involved in mt-hg research, so he really bother.



    Please read that again, especially in the context.



    Was I ever saying that isn't? But the very existance of hgs per se is not.
    The sense it has, if it can cofirm some prcatical stuff. Y does it, mt - do
    not, exept large population stuff, and only, when some issuea cannot be
    resovled by other tools (like for example racial case of Finns or Jews), so
    in individual cases is useless, quite opposte than Y, who is usefull always.
    Now that you wrote it, I remember reading something similar to above (highlighted) on a website. It was probably the same genetist (if he was one) who was quoted, but I would like to see more genetic scientists agreeing with him before we can say its a normal thing.

    In individual cases mtDna HG can be useful to know. Like we know Prince William has a rather rare Indian mtDna which shows his mother had a direct Indian maternal ancestor. It has been verified and confirmed to a reasonable extent by other info back to 7 generations around 1790. It doesn't mean he is Indian or his left toe is Indian, just that he had an Indian maternal ancestor proved by the mtDna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enflamme View Post
    I've buy this Y-67, it's "good"?
    Yes. I made it at first time in FT. And later 111.
    But it is better if you would test also some two distant relatives of yours.

    Do you know of sites where I could transfer my FTDNA results to another site?
    No, but you can try in Y-seq.
    I think the base of data which has FT is quite big. Probably the biggest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Enflamme View Post
    Correction, i've buy "Y-DNA111"
    Good, but it can be too much for you.
    If you are alone, it should help you to determine subclade,
    but is not necessary and SNPs are better way. I would advise
    you to buy three Y67 or Y37 plus SNPs for you alone, which
    will be advised later by your admin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosat View Post
    Now that you wrote it, I remember reading something similar to above (highlighted) on a website. It was probably the same genetist (if he was one) who was quoted, but I would like to see more genetic scientists agreeing with him before we can say its a normal thing.
    No, he does not have a site about this particluar subject, he is a Pole and it was years ago...

    In individual cases mtDna HG can be useful to know. Like we know Prince William has a rather rare Indian mtDna which shows his mother had a direct Indian maternal ancestor. It has been verified and confirmed to a reasonable extent by other info back to 7 generations around 1790. It doesn't mean he is Indian or his left toe is Indian, just that he had an Indian maternal ancestor proved by the mtDna.
    It doesn;t really mean anything, becasue he could have whatever mt's hg, and what?
    If you do not have a paper genealogy, it means nothing, you do not even know, when
    this woman lived and when she got into your country, and in what way. More than that,
    it is just one of millions ascendants, so why nother about the lest meaningfull and broken
    in every generation line, who tells you nothing peculiar? One of million ascendants lived in
    India 400 years ago... and what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    Yes, it can, It is called Paternal mitochondrial transsmission.
    I wasn't even aware the same as you, until I spoke with a
    genetist who did enlighten me about that stuff. And he is
    even involved in mt-hg research, so he really bother.



    Please read that again, especially in the context.



    Was I ever saying that isn't? But the very existance of hgs per se is not.
    The sense it has, if it can cofirm some prcatical stuff. Y does it, mt - do
    not, exept large population stuff, and only, when some issuea cannot be
    resovled by other tools (like for example racial case of Finns or Jews), so
    in individual cases is useless, quite opposte than Y, who is usefull always.
    yes it can be passed to father to son too, but its an rare ocasion and a tiny fraction, i cant say for sure if it would change the subclade tho.

    some sources state that so little paternal mtDNA is transmitted as to be negligible ("At most, one presumes it must be less than 1 in 1000, since there are 100 000 mitochondria in the human egg and only 100 in the sperm (Satoh and Kuroiwa, 1991)."[11]) or that paternal mtDNA is so rarely transmitted as to be negligible ("Nevertheless, studies have established that paternal mtDNA is so rarely transmitted to offspring that mtDNA analyses remain valid..."[12]). One study stated that about 1–2% of a person's mitochondria can be inherited from the father."[13]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    No, he does not have a site about this particluar subject, he is a Pole and it was years ago...



    It doesn;t really mean anything, becasue he could have whatever mt's hg, and what?
    If you do not have a paper genealogy, it means nothing, you do not even know, when
    this woman lived and when she got into your country, and in what way. More than that,
    it is just one of millions ascendants, so why nother about the lest meaningfull and broken
    in every generation line, who tells you nothing peculiar? One of million ascendants lived in
    India 400 years ago... and what?
    Whatever he was it was written on a website. I am sure you are not the only one he spoke to?
    Added: Or I saw a genetic study about it, but it seemed to have a minor, very negligible implication (if any at all) on a persons mtDna.

    Prince William's mtDna tells us something...that his mother had a direct Indian maternal ancestor. If his mtDna was not tested then it might not come out so easily or never be proven for sure, or it might never be known at all. It is known when the woman lived because her daughter's name and year of birth is known. It was traced from family history. Its just a marker and he has very little Indian dna in him now of course.

    I know HGs will only show 2 lines of the ancestors, but it is still useful and even very useful. If it wasn't' useful then it would be ignored in genetic studies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosat View Post
    Whatever he was it was written on a website. I am sure you are not the only when he spoke to?
    Man, are you a lunatic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    Man, are you a lunatic?
    No, are you are an idiot? You referred to some idiotic story from some claimed geneticist who only you spoke to. Just because you cant understand when HGs are useful / important, it does not mean they are useless like you said.

    Why would they have brought out Prince William's mtDna if it was useless like you said?
    Are you a lunatic as well as idiot?

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