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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    the links to the balkans could be more ancient, but I think the data points to Illyrian and Greek colonization, both ancient and modern.Besides some ancient anatolian haplogroups could have been counted as balkan imo.
    Minoans maybe could be linked to it as well
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    In the Sicily Ftdna project there is some J2b2-PH1751 which is associated with Albanians
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    explains why they're so crazy
    Spoiler!

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    Ilyrians colonized East Italy and not Sicily . and it's connection to the Balkans is most likely some EV13 etc.

    I get Sicilian matches that are Arbereshe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desperado View Post
    explains why they're so crazy
    and why they spend so much time in nightclubs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    In the Sicily Ftdna project there is some J2b2-PH1751 which is associated with Albanians
    There were no "Ancient" Albanians, you dumbass. Waves after waves of Greek tribes colonized Italy since 1700 BC. Italy was ruled by the Cretan king Saturn and was called Saturnia.

    Where are the "Albanian" archeological artifacts in Sicily, any traces of "Albanian" script? nowhere except in your fantasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tee View Post
    Ilyrians colonized East Italy and not Sicily . and it's connection to the Balkans is most likely some EV13 etc.

    I get Sicilian matches that are Arbereshe.
    Not only E-V13 but J2b2-L283 as well as this haplogroup is reaches it's highest frequency in the Balkans, also as I said before there were J2b2-PH1751 samples in Sicily
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    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    There were no "Ancient" Albanians, you dumbass. Waves after waves of Greek tribes colonized Italy since 1700 BC. Italy was ruled by the Cretan king Saturn and was called Saturnia.

    Where are the "Albanian" archeological artifacts in Sicily, any traces of "Albanian" script? nowhere except in your fantasy.
    Learn about genetics before calling someone a "Dumbass" stupid Kurva. J2b2-L283 is associated with Albanians in the Balkans and not Greeks as they are associated with J2a and not J2b2-L283. Also I didn't say "Ancient Albanians" retard, I just said Albanians and I think it's from Arbereshe and not ancient at all
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    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Albanians aren't Illyrians and associated them with Illyrians is anachronism and a rape of history especially when all linguists have made it perfectly clear that the Albanian language has pretty much zero to do with Illyrian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    Albanians aren't Illyrians and associated them with Illyrians is anachronism and a rape of history especially when all linguists have made it perfectly clear that the Albanian language has pretty much zero to do with Illyrian.
    So where are we from? Also there was a proto-Illyrian that was found to be J2b2-L283 a haplogroup that peaks in Albanians so saying that we aren't linked to them is a retarded statement
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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