Nations with false identity

[rico]

Turkey is one of the many examples. A genetically predominately Anatolian natives being forced to accept the Turkic ruling class whom later assimilated and created mixed race men.

India has had a small percentage of Indo-Aryan tribes who conquered the whole region of South Asia and forced the tribes to accept their language and culture.

Hungary as a predominately Central European nation with a small percentage of Asiatic invaders who conquered the local Slavs and forced a cultural assimilation.

Iberia as a mixture of Ibero-Maurisians and local Mediterraneans who accepted a ruling class of Celtic and Continental European tribes who raped and forced the locals to assimilate.

Greece as a today Hellenized Balkan Slav and Native Anatolian mixed nation who accepted the superior culture of ancient Hellenes and forgot their other minority roots.

All Ind-European speaking nations are a product of a minority who forced the natives to assimilate and created the civilization of Western culture. European Hunter Gatherers had no other knowledge than the basic for survive.

[JMack]

Saudi Arabia: Bunch of goatfuckers conquered by desert cave dwellers who forced them and subsequently all Middle East into an irrational and abhorrent mixture of Judaism, Christianism and Homophilia called 'Islam'.

[Lavrentis]

"Greece as a today Hellenized Balkan Slav and Native Anatolian mixed nation who accepted the superior culture of ancient Hellenes and forgot their other minority roots."

The only assimilated Balkan Slavs in Greece are the descendants of the Grecomans, who were Bulgarians with Greek concsiousness. Their numbers are less than 5.000.

Finally, it's true that we have assimilated many Anatolians but they are not the majority.

[JMack]

This can be applied at any nation, you're trolling attempt is ridiculous.

[Lavrentis]

"Greece as a today Hellenized Balkan Slav and Native Anatolian mixed nation who accepted the superior culture of ancient Hellenes and forgot their other minority roots."

The only assimilated Balkan Slavs in Greece are the descendants of the Grecomans, who were Bulgarians with Greek concsiousness. Their numbers are less than 5.000.

Finally, it's true that we have assimilated many Anatolians but they are not the majority.

[Hadouken]

"Greece as a today Hellenized Balkan Slav and Native Anatolian mixed nation who accepted the superior culture of ancient Hellenes and forgot their other minority roots."

The only assimilated Balkan Slavs in Greece are the descendants of the Grecomans, who were Bulgarians with Greek concsiousness. There numbers are less than 5.000.

Finally, it's true that we have assimilated many Anatolians but ther are not the majority.

[Laberia]

"Greece as a today Hellenized Balkan Slav and Native Anatolian mixed nation who accepted the superior culture of ancient Hellenes and forgot their other minority roots."

The only assimilated Balkan Slavs in Greece are the descendants of the Grecomans, who were Bulgarians with Greek concsiousness. There numbers are less than 5.000.

Finally, it's true that we have assimilated many Anatolians but ther are not the majority.

Demetrios Horologas-Giannakopoulos
Demetrios is half Anatolian from a post byzantine Greek old historic Family, c. 1700, (mother’s side) and Balkan Modern Greek from the Moreas (Peloponnese region) Greece, lived in Sub Saharan Africa, Britain and Greece before moving as resident in Yerevan-Armenia.
He is a published author of three books in Greece, the latter being a Historical-Political academic of popular style disertation, 2011, Periplous Publications , ‘The Fearful History of Greece’.
I don`t share many of his views and his interpretation of facts, he is a chauvunist anti-albanian and he pretend that the real greeks are the prosfiges, people who arrived in Greece after the exchange of population between Greece and Turkey, but what interest to me are some curious facts about the modern greeks, or False-Greeks as he call his compatriots.
And let the show begin. Let have a look beyond the "Iron Curtain" of this lemeria called Modern Greece.

FEARFUL HISTORY
August 14th, 2014


By Demetrios Horologas


The Slavic issue

The Greek peninsula, in the first centuries of the Christian Era, started gradually to be transformed into the most sparsely populated country of the Mediterranean Sea.
Greeks had already declined politically in their ancient cradle from where they achieved great things and rushed out as colonists and conquerors till the extreme end of the then known world. The internal conflicts of the city-states and the Roman occupation also caused considerable depopulation of ancient Greece, which from the period of Alexander the Great had ceased to be the economic and military focus as it was in the classical period. Hundreds of thousands colonists from Macedonia and the south of Greece had settled on the new lands that Alexander bequeathed to his successors, so that his homeland became a small country compared to the vast and rich kingdoms of Hellenistic Era. That massive migration was the essential cause that, contrary to what happened in archaic years, Greece of the afterwards Balkan Peninsula was reduced on all levels and in a way non-irreversible.
Even in the 2nd century A.D., Strabo, Pliny and other famous travelers, during the years of Rome’s indisputable omnipotence, looked very disheartened when speaking about the situation of the former ancient Greek city-states, like Thebes, Sicyon and Olynthus. They had all crumbled to ruins. By the time of German and Mongol invasions, which caused the demise of the Roman Empire, the region of Greece did not escape total devastation. Barbarian tribes, like Heruli, leveled Athens, except paradoxically for Parthenon and the temple of Hephaestus (Theseum) in the Forum (the Agora), and, continuing southwards, wiped off the map Eleusis and Sparta. In Sparta only a few hundreds of Helots’ off-springs were left, as they had gained the Perioeci political status, and Spartans left were about 80 persons, after centuries of decline. The same happened elsewhere, in the region of Boeotia for example. The devastation of that historical district, for the same reasons, forced the Roman emperor Caligula to order Hellenized Hebrews to settle there. When the Romans came to Greece as conquerors, they imposed genocides on the cities and realms that resisted occupation. City of Corinth was leveled to the ground after the Roman Senate had decided to destroy it, the same applied to the cities of Epirus and to some provinces of Macedonia. The foundation of new Corinth and Nicopolis, in early imperial period, did not solve the demographic problem of ancient Greece.
The final blow for the decimated rural and the remaining urban population of Greece came by 542-3 A.D. when the whole area was struck by an outbreak of bubonic plague in the Justinian Era. Between one-third and one-half the population of Constantinople, the new capital of the empire and the centre of the Old World, may well have died, while the lesser cities of the empire and the countryside by no means remained immune. Analogical effects, even though with less deaths, had only occurred in 430 B.C. at the Aegean region (Athens of Pericles age), or in the years of the Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (165-180 B.C.) when Asia Minor and Syria were struck.
The Byzantine historian Procopius, referring to the image of Greece in the Justinian Era, uses a phrase borrowed from Herodotus to describe the country’s devastation: “Desert of Scythians”. Much later, the emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus relates that the province of Greece had become barbaric as a result of the Slavic settlement there during the 7th century A.D.During the 14th century, Cananos, a courtier, visited the Byzantine city of Mistra where the lords (despots) and the ruling class were Greeks from Asia Minor. He sent to Constantinople a report about the inhabitants of Peloponnese at that period, describing the language of peasants in the region of nowadays Mani (Maina) at Messenia as a Slavic idiom. From the years of Procopius, Menander Protector and PseudoMauricius till the years of historian Laonicus Chalcocondyles of the Palaeologi Era, it was an open secret that on the territory of Greece the descendants of Greeks lived no more. First reports about the Coming of the Slavs to a downgraded district of the empire, where officials were transferred on unfavourable terms, seem inadequate. Some information for the Slavs of Peloponnese is provided by the dubious and obscure “Chronicle of Malvesie” (Monemvasia).
Historians of that period relate invasions of Barbarians and “Huns” much earlier than the 7th century A.D., without clarifying who were these invaders.
Yet, whether or not they were “Huns” but in fact Slavic depredatory groups, 7th century is regarded as starting point of the Slavic settlement on Greece. When they learned to speak Greek with the aid of Byzantine missionaries, their relations with the central power at Constantinople were in perfect harmony for one and only reason: they were then the new subjects on whom taxation was imposed in a deserted province. According to Paul Emile Lemerle however, this was a blessing for the land, as Slav peasants used methods of agriculture similar to those of Mediterranean populations.
After the signal victories of Basil II Bulgaroctonus (Slayer of the Bulgars), the Slavs of Greece ceased to be confused with Bulgars, although it is doubtable that they are related to the so-called “Bulgarian” Slavic branch. It seems that a good few of them arrived in Crete, as there are Slavic place names at Rhodopos peninsula.
Little things are known about the names of Slavic peoples in Greece. In Peloponnese, which the new-comers called Morea (e.g. Sea), Meliggi and Ezeri were established. When they revolted against the Empire, some of them sought shelter in Taygetus Mountains. Maina is the cradle of nationalism in modern Greece. Yet few know that Maniotes (inhabitants of Maina) are of Slavic origin and that later intermingled with Cretans. The latter were not descendants of Minoan Cretans, as they had mingled, in the Middle Ages, with Arabs and Saracens as well as Paphlagonians from Asia Minor whom John I Tzimisces had brought as settlers.
Besides all that tribes, we know the names of other Slavic groups as ex-Greek provinces in where they settled are called “Sclaviniae”, e.g. Slavic regions, by the Byzantines. So Belegizites inhabited Thessaly, Strymonites, Sagudati and Drugubites inhabited Macedonia, Vaiunites from Epirus to Prespa lake. They were several other groups without their names been recorded.
Slavs of Greece started, in the course of centuries, to become bilingual preserving their idioms but learning at the same time Greek, forced by the Byzantines.
In Peloponnese the Slavic language faded definitively during the 16th century, leaving behind hundreds of place names and several words which passed to the Greek dialect of that area. Even their Christianization was delayed at the local societies level, as Slavs of Laconia abandoned latest their primitive religious believes, around the 9th century A.D.
Slavs of Macedonia continued to be bilingual until their territory was annexed partially by the False-Greeks in 1912, during the Balkan Wars.
It is characteristic that until now fruit merchants in Athens puff their cherries of Edessa as from Vódhas (Slavic voda, “water”, because of its waterfalls).
Thessaloniki was besieged by the Slavs, and also Patras in the south, during the Byzantine Era. Some generations later their descendants settled peacefully and en mass to these cities. When at last Ottoman Turks occupied Thessaloniki, its inhabitants did not exceed 3,000 persons, having irreparably declined. As a result, the Turkish sultan Süleyman I the Magnificent asked the chased Sephardic Jews of Spain and Portugal to settle there. Until 1922 when Greek refugees from Asia Minor and Thrace settled there, the Jewish community of Thessaloniki consisted the most numerous group of the city. After the revolt against the Ottoman Empire of peasants with Slavic and Albanian origin from Peloponnese in 1821, there was installed a pattern of state in which the hellenization of a non-Greek population was initiated, not only in lingual terms but also in ethnic terms.
Something analogue happened to all Balkan states at later times. In Albania a myth of origin from the Illyrians was set up and in former Yugoslavian republic of Macedonia Slavs of the region claimed that they are descendants of Greek Macedonians, without referring to the fact of intermarriages they had with national groups like Bulgars and Magyars.
In Europe the German historian Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer disputed the “Kingdom of Greece” national propaganda, not to mention that he is neither the first nor the last to consider the inhabitants of that small state non descending from the ancient Greeks. The desultory reaction of the theorists intellectual fathers of that artificial hellenization, e.g. S. Zambelios and C. Paparrigopoulos, would had collapsed with only one phrase of Fallmerayer, who wrote that False-Greeks “are people with Slavic arched eyebrows and tough lineaments of Albanian shepherds”. It did not happen. Mass hellenization of Slavic, Albanian and Vlach place names throughout Greece, during the last half of the 20th century, was only the summit of the iceberg.
Greece is not found inside the museum buildings, where some artifacts concerning the ancient Greek art, and incidentally some pottery of early Slavic settlement or examples of antic pins from Slavic towns in Argolid and Olympia are only exhibited.
In one thing ancient and modern Greece are equal: they are both the land of legends!
The difference lies in the fact that modern False-Greeks have misappropriated the history of real Greeks, coming to the point to monopolize it at will. They are an illiterate people, they will believe whatever you say, especially when their Balkan propaganda has invested in those lies in the internal and the external of the country alike, at any place and at any rate.

[Thanas Django]

Most of the threads on this forum that mention Greece are actually sophistic pseudointellectual ejaculations and speculations of people who are just jealous of either our ethnic character, our pride or the lands we call home.

[Laberia]

Most of the threads on this forum that mention Greece are actually sophistic pseudointellectual ejaculations and speculations of people who are just jealous of either our ethnic character, our pride or the lands we call home.

Whoha, prepare baby:

The Arvanites

Today in Greece there are almost 5,000,000 off-springs of Albanians, who, known as Arvanites, made their own descent starting from the 11th century A.D. It is estimated that initially they numbered almost 300,000 armed shepherds and brigands. Their name remains a mystery, as some scholars even associated them with the inhabitants of Albania at Caucasus (modern Turkish-speaking Azerbaijan). However, historians of today doubt severely any connection with the ancient Illyrians, while they have in fact mingled with the Slavs.
Albanians arrived in large numbers in the Peloponnese during the reign of the Asia Minor Greek despotes of Mistra, who brought them there to serve as soldiers and to resettle depopulated regions. They settled later in Epirus, Rumeli, Euboea, Attica and the nearby islands of Andros and the Saronic gulf (Spetse, Hydra and Salamina). Some of them crossed over to the Seven Isles while others had later open battle with Vlachs at Thessaly. A part of them, who was Greek-speaking, migrated to Calabria in the south of Italy, where they still preserve a singular modern Greek idiom. That region, shortly before World War II, was named by Benito Mussolini “Valley of Albanians”, while in the contrary False-Greeks, insisting in their ignorant of history propaganda considered those Arvanites as off-springs of ancient Greeks who settled there and founded Magna Graecia.
Christian and Muslim Arvanites in Greek peninsula were divided into fatries, e.g. clans with a strict common law, and belonged to different tribal groups like Tsamides (Cham Albanians), Toskides, Gekides and so on. One of the attributes of False-Greeks’ stupidity is the fact that “Tsamikos dance”, traditional folk dance of Tsamides, is very popular among the rest of “Modern Greeks” as they call themselves the Hellenized descendants of Albanian peoples who settled in the 12th and 13th centuries. Yet there is a taboo on the subject of their Albanian origin.
The dissociation between Muslim Albanians (called Turkoalbanians) and Christian Albanians constituted strangely the spark of the gradual expulsion of the first ones from Greek territory, not the actual reason. The strange common law of one clan permitted even what is regarded as treason in a broader sense, without being considered as such according to Albanian customs.
Anyhow, the ethnic cleansing which was attempted by the emergent “Kingdom of Greece”, shortly after the assassination of Ioannis Kapodistrias, the first governor of Greece, was decisive for all who did not match the criteria of a strange Balkan propaganda about “full-blooded Greeks” as conceived by first bourgeoisie and ruling class of that farrago. So they were expelled from the territory of Greece, which in 1832 comprised Peloponnese, Rumeli and the Cyclades, Turks and Jews but also Muslim Arvanites (Lalaii, Barduniotes and so on). The “Greek Revolution” of 1821 against the Ottoman Empire was essentially an Albanian revolt, as chieftains and corps of brigands (palikaria) were Arvanites in their majority.
In 1770, another revolt preceded, orchestrated by Russians, which was degenerated into a domestic quarrel between Christian and Muslim Albanians of Peloponnese. Was it so yet? The causes of that revolutionary movements still remain obscure, regardless of the fact that history books of modern Greece have whitewashed a reality that seems so credible as the allegedly origin of False-Greeks from the ancient inhabitants of the country.
It is a fact that the chieftains who fought against Turks and their agents, the kodjabashis (the wealthy provincial notables) turned into terrible brigands who terrorized the Greek countryside, several decades after independence. Although a purified variety of Greek language (katharevusa) with archaisms, used by few people, was imposed by the prevalent ideology of “Greece”, in the countryside for many years prevailed the Albanian dialect: Arvanitika. Today it is spoken by few mainly in Thiva (Thebes) and in Attica also some time ago.
It is said that the worst enemy of a nation is someone who has renounced it. Something equivalent happened with False-Greeks, who do not wish to know or they really do not know anymore their origin from Slavs, Albanians and Vlachs, established during the Middle Ages in Greece. Although the surnames of most “New-Greeks” are of Albanian origin, like Mercouris, Nikas, Capsalis, Grivas, Cotsis, Papulias and so on, they consider Albanian economic migrants as a foreign body. History, in most cases globally, has to be rewritten, but especially in Greece because of the lies fabricated by the False-Greeks in the beginning of 19th century. Although those who passed that ideology of the Greek nation to the revolted False-Greeks were not merely False-Greeks, they themselves till now ignore that their rebellious ancestors in 1821 did not know Greek. The national hero Markos Botsaris, like all the other Albanians of the era, spoke only Albanian and, at the very best, had a little knowledge of Greek language. In the gatherings which usually took place in ruined ancient theatres of classical era and the False-Greeks historians call pompously “National Assemblies”, the barbarian participants spoke Albanian. Theodoros Kolokotronis, off-spring of an old family of Christian Albanians from Peloponnese and the man who played a catalytic role in the War of Greek Independence (1821-30), had Hellenized his surname from Bythegouras (deriving from the Albanian words bytha = anus and goura = stone) and had served as mercenary in the British Army which were stationed in the Seven Isles, where Britons had organized an army corps with such soldiers of fortune, the so-called “Albanian Company”. The Souliots of southern Epirus, who struggled against Ali Pasa, ruler of Ioannina (Janina) and one of the greatest personalities in European history at the end of 18th and the beginning of 19th centuries, were Albanians. Ali Pasa, with father an apostate Christian, whose family had emigrated possibly from Smyrna to Greece, and with mother an Albanian woman, became one of the most powerful provincial governors in Ottoman Empire. Lord Byron and some other great European writers and poets had him deified. He obtained to be rewarded the pashalik of Janina and with the aid of his military and diplomatic abilities he governed Greece from Peloponnese to Thessaly, before he was deserted by his Christian Albanian mercenaries who betrayed him to Resit Pasa. Cruel and ruthless, he played a significant role in Napoleonic Wars and had visions of becoming sultan of the Ottoman Empire itself. Finally he was beheaded on an island by his palace and his head adorned a pole in front of Sultan Ahmed Cami (Blue Mosque), at the place where once stood the Hippodrome of Constantinople. The news of his execution created a sensation throughout Europe of the time.
It is also said that history is written by the winners. Surely it is not written by the losers. Ali Pasa was not placed in the Pantheon of great personalities of the “Albanian Revolution”, as it happened with Papaflessa, an intriguer priest of the time, who, although relatively petty, is honored as a hero by the modern “New-Greeks”.

[wvwvw]

Greece as a today Hellenized Balkan Slav and Native Anatolian mixed nation who accepted the superior culture of ancient Hellenes and forgot their other minority roots.

The Hellene tribe was originally just a tribe from Thessaly after which all other Greek speaking tribes were named. What minority roots are you talking about? The roots that go back to Graecopithecus?

Minoans had been in Greece for at least 10,000 years and they have left traces of Greek civilization behind them. That means they were the proto-Greeks.