Nations with false identity

[wvwvw]

Most of the threads on this forum that mention Greece are actually sophistic pseudointellectual ejaculations and speculations of people who are just jealous of either our ethnic character, our pride or the lands we call home.

He sleeps and wakes up with the thought of Greeks. We have enslaved the mind of this rayah.

[zarzian]

Turkey is definitely on the top, I would go as far as to say that Turks don't even have a false identity because they lack identity period. Turkey's population is 80% Greco-Semetic leftovers which identify as Turks, with the other 20% being Kurdish.

[Linet]

rico was a sockpuppet...bb

[Laberia]

He sleeps and wakes up with the thought of Greeks. We have enslaved the mind of this rayah.

Mia vlacho, vlacopoula.

The Vlachs

The third racial group of False-Greeks are Vlachs who in old times were also called Kutsovlachi. Their origin remains a mystery for anthropologists, although the historians’ opinion is that they are a latin-speaking nation which probably comes from barbaric Thracian tribes who were Romanized after the occupation of ancient Dacia by the legions of the Roman Emperor Trajan.
Ancient Thracians and Dacians did not have any relation with the newer inhabitants of the Balkan peninsula, who resided or still reside in Greek, Turkish or Bulgarian Thrace (former Eastern Rumelia). Vlachs live throughout the Peninsula of Haemus, from Istria and Moldova (Moldovlachia) to Albania and Greece. There is another theory that from Transylvania they migrated to Walachia (“Land of the Vlachs”) and Moldavia. The word Vlach derives from the ancient German word “Walh”, meaning foreigner. At first, German tribes attributed that name only to Romans and Celts. As a result, certain countries of Europe, away from Vlachia of modern Romania, are until now called accordingly, like Wales in United Kingdom or Wallonia in Belgium, which were conquered by Anglo-Saxons and allied Teutonic nations. In older times, Thessaly was called Great Walachia (Megale Vlachia), while Moldavians belong racially to the same people. Yet it is a fact that Vlachs started to come down toward the south of the Balkan peninsula from 13th century A.D.
They were rarely used by Byzantines as mercenaries, because, according to registered reports of the time, they were regarded as “capricious and unreliable troublemakers and thieves”. Perhaps the word Vlach, which for the Asia Minor Greeks meant “churl” and “peasant” and implied almost the whole of False-Greeks, later on, for the Smyrna refugees, has its root to the Middle Ages.
The Vlachs of Greece hardly participated in the War of Greek Independence of 1821 against the Ottoman Empire. Others were Hellenized by learning Greek, like the habitants of North Epirus and the Vlachs of the district now belonging to FYROM (Monastir and Strumeshnitsa). Those who live in today’s Greek territory (Western Macedonia, mountainous Epirus and Thessaly), due to their incorruptible Vlachian conscience, tried in the past to organize an autonomous state with Metsovo as capital, while they have caused for a long time several diplomatic frictions between Greece and Romania. However, numerous Vlachs of Greece studied in Romania obtaining free scholarships with the mere obligation to accept their Romanovlachian origin. In Rumeli of Greece, at the south of Epirus and Thessaly, some Vlachs moved in search of new pastures for their sheep. In Boeotia intermarried with Arvanites and formed the so-called Arvanitovlachi. In the 13th century that district was overrun by Catalan mercenaries whose off-springs perhaps survived in Lebadeia.
There is also a mysterious connection between Vlachs and Sarakatsani, another nation who lived until recently, under primitive conditions, in Greece. Their shacks were more sloppy than the peasants’ huts from Black Africa. Their customary male dress was fustanela, national emblem of False-Greeks, as we can see in the Evzone Guard in front of the Parliament in Athens. Yet others dispute that fustanela is a Vlachian dress.
In the plain of Thessaly, the former serves of Byzantines and Turks, known as Karagunides, are descendants of Vlachs, Slavs and Albanians. Even today, however, there is a mutual dislike between Karagunides and Vlachs. It would be wonderful, if the off-springs of Greek refugees from Asia Minor felt the same dislike towards all of them. It applies, in this case too, what we call “generations gap”

[wvwvw]

rico was a sockpuppet...bb

Of who?

[wvwvw]

Turkey is definitely on the top, I would go as far as to say that Turks don't even have a false identity because they lack identity period. Turkey's population is 80% Greco-Semetic leftovers which identify as Turks, with the other 20% being Kurdish.

Irano-semitic you mean

[Laberia]

The Hellene tribe was originally just a tribe from Thessaly after which all other Greek speaking tribes were named. What minority roots are you talking about? The roots that go back to Graecopithecus?

Minoans had been in Greece for at least 10,000 years and they have left traces of Greek civilization behind them. That means they were the proto-Greeks.

Raine, i am sure that you are descendant of an Australopitek. You are a psorokostaina.

Gainas

I would have used a more conventional title for this chapter, e.g. “Germans are coming back”.
In the early Byzantine years, during the emperor Arcadius’ era, Gainas was leader of the Gothic mercenary corps that exerted great influence in state affairs during the 4th and 5th centuries A.D.
Teutonic nations of Ostrogoths and Greuthungi had already settled in Phrygia of Asia Minor with Trivigildo as leader, adding their genes to the Great Nation of Asia Minor. Like the Galatians centuries ago, ancient Germans emerged in Ionia as invaders and destroyed the temple of Ephesian Artemis in AD 262, a temple which coexisted with the Christian cathedral for a short while in the city of Ephesus.
Today, however, we do not live in Asia Minor of past times, although we are descendants of the refugees expelled tragically, between 1915-1923, alongside the Greeks of Constantinople who received the finishing stroke by the Turks, during the pogrom of 1953, for a matter very little concerning them: the effort of Makarios III, archbishop of the Orthodox Church of Cyprus, to assert his authority to the Turkish-Cypriot minority, after the independence of the island from British occupation.



The unknown history of Revolution

Through the distorting glass of Balkan propaganda of False-Greeks, history is presented in a mode of operation that the theory of heliocentrism suggests. All things in the universe have as central point Greece, regardless of the spreading of ancient and medieval Greek world which achieved great things beyond its narrow boundaries in three neighboring continents.
Although most of modern habitants of Greece are far from being Greeks, civilizations of the past, like colonies of antiquity, the Hellenistic realms and the Byzantine Empire, were an acquisition of the supposedly history of a small Balkan country, for the well-being of which they shed their blood even Greeks of Asia Minor, without their off-springs having recorded it in their own collective memory. The usual suspect is present here too! The prime movers of the so-called Revival of 1821, which had to do with the revolt of Slavic and Albanian peasants of Peloponnese and Rumeli against the Ottoman Empire, are Greeks of Asia Minor, of aristocratic lineage, with roots to the Byzantine period. The Ypsilanti of Trebizond, the Mavrokordati of Phanar and even thousands of soldiers who fought in Greece and elsewhere, the members of the famous Ionian Phalanx and the Sacred Batallion (Hieros Lochos), rendered invaluable services to the revolted Arvanitovlachs. Even the theoretic moving spirit of ethnic Hellenization of False-Greeks, the great scholar of Modern Greek Enlightenment, Adamantios Korais, who laid the intellectual foundations for the Greek struggle for independence, originated from Smyrna.
Ammunition and gold pounds arrived from Greek Smyrna, the palikars (soldiers) of Ayvalik (Kydonies) stormed castles like Palamidhion of Nauplia and destroyed the Turkish ships in Aegean Sea under the command of captain Saltellis, while a distinguished figure in the War of Independence was Nikolaos Papazoglu, ex admiral of the Mamluk fleet, who had joined the forces of Napoleon. Nicolas, as is referred to in Bonaparte’s journal, died forgotten and dressed in rags finally. Son of a Greek priest from Anatolia, he had become sultan of Egypt before the country was occupied by the Ottomans, as other compatriots of his in earlier time, and was far famed by the nickname El Rum. Those two men were crypto-Christians. Asia Minor Greeks and inhabitants of the nearby islands (Chios and Caso) paid also a significant death toll in the same war.
Wealthy cities and their communities, to Cappadocia and Ancyra, were abandoned to flames and the revengefulness of the Turkish mob. Smyrna, in 1821, experienced a second massacre, after the “Rebellion of Janissaries” (1797), when angry Turkish soldiers and ex-apostate Christians attacked the Greek population in order to revenge the murder of a janissary by a drunken False-Greek sailor from Seven Isles. It was an event that had to do with the significance of theatrical performances in the city, because the murderer wished to attend an opera show without paying the fee. It is also a remarkable event that the first theatrical performance registered in Smyrna’s history, after the Greco-Roman period, was “Nicomede” of Pierre Corneille in 1657.
Besides the slaughters in Smyrna, in 1821 Greeks of Kydonies were forced to abandoned their city in a heroic sortie and take refuge contemporarily in Greece, before returning to Ayvalik in 1840 after a general amnesty granted by the new sultan. Families of Ayvalik citizens, among those who established at Hermoupolis of Syros, brought out personalities who played a primal role in Greek politics, like Theodoros Pangalos, the dictator, Alexander Papagos, the commander in chief, and Stylianos Gonatas, the great.
Among those refugees of revolted Kydonies, ranks a tragic woman who gave a nickname to her new country, that is “Psorokostaina”. When in Nauplia a fund-raising was taking place for the needs of soldiers in the war of independence of 1821, a noble woman, widow of someone named Constantinos who had lost his life fighting against Turks in Ayvalik, offered first of all her mite. As she was also very poor (she suffered of scabies = psora in Greek) and, in Peloponnese, Arvanites and Greek-speaking Slavs gave to a woman the name of her husband, the widow of Kydonies was known as “Psorokostaina”. By contrast to wealthy Asia Minor’s Ionia and the lost homelands of Greeks afterwards, this derisive nickname was applied to Balkan Greece, in order to describe the misery and underdevelopment by which is entertained, for then on, as by an evil demon.






(Translation to English by Yolanda Dalka from the Periplous Edition, Athens)


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Review by Bob Nicolaides 06/09/13 via Typoglos.com http://www.typologos.com/is-greek-ar...of-asia-minor/

[Lavrentis]

Demetrios Horologas-Giannakopoulos
Demetrios is half Anatolian from a post byzantine Greek old historic Family, c. 1700, (mother’s side) and Balkan Modern Greek from the Moreas (Peloponnese region) Greece, lived in Sub Saharan Africa, Britain and Greece before moving as resident in Yerevan-Armenia.
He is a published author of three books in Greece, the latter being a Historical-Political academic of popular style disertation, 2011, Periplous Publications , ‘The Fearful History of Greece’.
I don`t share many of his views and his interpretation of facts, he is a chauvunist anti-albanian and he pretend that the real greeks are the prosfiges, people who arrived in Greece after the exchange of population between Greece and Turkey, but what interest to me are some curious facts about the modern greeks, or False-Greeks as he call his compatriots.
And let the show begin. Let have a look beyond the "Iron Curtain" of this lemeria called Modern Greece.

FEARFUL HISTORY
August 14th, 2014


By Demetrios Horologas


The Slavic issue

The Greek peninsula, in the first centuries of the Christian Era, started gradually to be transformed into the most sparsely populated country of the Mediterranean Sea.
Greeks had already declined politically in their ancient cradle from where they achieved great things and rushed out as colonists and conquerors till the extreme end of the then known world. The internal conflicts of the city-states and the Roman occupation also caused considerable depopulation of ancient Greece, which from the period of Alexander the Great had ceased to be the economic and military focus as it was in the classical period. Hundreds of thousands colonists from Macedonia and the south of Greece had settled on the new lands that Alexander bequeathed to his successors, so that his homeland became a small country compared to the vast and rich kingdoms of Hellenistic Era. That massive migration was the essential cause that, contrary to what happened in archaic years, Greece of the afterwards Balkan Peninsula was reduced on all levels and in a way non-irreversible.
Even in the 2nd century A.D., Strabo, Pliny and other famous travelers, during the years of Rome’s indisputable omnipotence, looked very disheartened when speaking about the situation of the former ancient Greek city-states, like Thebes, Sicyon and Olynthus. They had all crumbled to ruins. By the time of German and Mongol invasions, which caused the demise of the Roman Empire, the region of Greece did not escape total devastation. Barbarian tribes, like Heruli, leveled Athens, except paradoxically for Parthenon and the temple of Hephaestus (Theseum) in the Forum (the Agora), and, continuing southwards, wiped off the map Eleusis and Sparta. In Sparta only a few hundreds of Helots’ off-springs were left, as they had gained the Perioeci political status, and Spartans left were about 80 persons, after centuries of decline. The same happened elsewhere, in the region of Boeotia for example. The devastation of that historical district, for the same reasons, forced the Roman emperor Caligula to order Hellenized Hebrews to settle there. When the Romans came to Greece as conquerors, they imposed genocides on the cities and realms that resisted occupation. City of Corinth was leveled to the ground after the Roman Senate had decided to destroy it, the same applied to the cities of Epirus and to some provinces of Macedonia. The foundation of new Corinth and Nicopolis, in early imperial period, did not solve the demographic problem of ancient Greece.
The final blow for the decimated rural and the remaining urban population of Greece came by 542-3 A.D. when the whole area was struck by an outbreak of bubonic plague in the Justinian Era. Between one-third and one-half the population of Constantinople, the new capital of the empire and the centre of the Old World, may well have died, while the lesser cities of the empire and the countryside by no means remained immune. Analogical effects, even though with less deaths, had only occurred in 430 B.C. at the Aegean region (Athens of Pericles age), or in the years of the Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (165-180 B.C.) when Asia Minor and Syria were struck.
The Byzantine historian Procopius, referring to the image of Greece in the Justinian Era, uses a phrase borrowed from Herodotus to describe the country’s devastation: “Desert of Scythians”. Much later, the emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus relates that the province of Greece had become barbaric as a result of the Slavic settlement there during the 7th century A.D.During the 14th century, Cananos, a courtier, visited the Byzantine city of Mistra where the lords (despots) and the ruling class were Greeks from Asia Minor. He sent to Constantinople a report about the inhabitants of Peloponnese at that period, describing the language of peasants in the region of nowadays Mani (Maina) at Messenia as a Slavic idiom. From the years of Procopius, Menander Protector and PseudoMauricius till the years of historian Laonicus Chalcocondyles of the Palaeologi Era, it was an open secret that on the territory of Greece the descendants of Greeks lived no more. First reports about the Coming of the Slavs to a downgraded district of the empire, where officials were transferred on unfavourable terms, seem inadequate. Some information for the Slavs of Peloponnese is provided by the dubious and obscure “Chronicle of Malvesie” (Monemvasia).
Historians of that period relate invasions of Barbarians and “Huns” much earlier than the 7th century A.D., without clarifying who were these invaders.
Yet, whether or not they were “Huns” but in fact Slavic depredatory groups, 7th century is regarded as starting point of the Slavic settlement on Greece. When they learned to speak Greek with the aid of Byzantine missionaries, their relations with the central power at Constantinople were in perfect harmony for one and only reason: they were then the new subjects on whom taxation was imposed in a deserted province. According to Paul Emile Lemerle however, this was a blessing for the land, as Slav peasants used methods of agriculture similar to those of Mediterranean populations.
After the signal victories of Basil II Bulgaroctonus (Slayer of the Bulgars), the Slavs of Greece ceased to be confused with Bulgars, although it is doubtable that they are related to the so-called “Bulgarian” Slavic branch. It seems that a good few of them arrived in Crete, as there are Slavic place names at Rhodopos peninsula.
Little things are known about the names of Slavic peoples in Greece. In Peloponnese, which the new-comers called Morea (e.g. Sea), Meliggi and Ezeri were established. When they revolted against the Empire, some of them sought shelter in Taygetus Mountains. Maina is the cradle of nationalism in modern Greece. Yet few know that Maniotes (inhabitants of Maina) are of Slavic origin and that later intermingled with Cretans. The latter were not descendants of Minoan Cretans, as they had mingled, in the Middle Ages, with Arabs and Saracens as well as Paphlagonians from Asia Minor whom John I Tzimisces had brought as settlers.
Besides all that tribes, we know the names of other Slavic groups as ex-Greek provinces in where they settled are called “Sclaviniae”, e.g. Slavic regions, by the Byzantines. So Belegizites inhabited Thessaly, Strymonites, Sagudati and Drugubites inhabited Macedonia, Vaiunites from Epirus to Prespa lake. They were several other groups without their names been recorded.
Slavs of Greece started, in the course of centuries, to become bilingual preserving their idioms but learning at the same time Greek, forced by the Byzantines.
In Peloponnese the Slavic language faded definitively during the 16th century, leaving behind hundreds of place names and several words which passed to the Greek dialect of that area. Even their Christianization was delayed at the local societies level, as Slavs of Laconia abandoned latest their primitive religious believes, around the 9th century A.D.
Slavs of Macedonia continued to be bilingual until their territory was annexed partially by the False-Greeks in 1912, during the Balkan Wars.
It is characteristic that until now fruit merchants in Athens puff their cherries of Edessa as from Vódhas (Slavic voda, “water”, because of its waterfalls).
Thessaloniki was besieged by the Slavs, and also Patras in the south, during the Byzantine Era. Some generations later their descendants settled peacefully and en mass to these cities. When at last Ottoman Turks occupied Thessaloniki, its inhabitants did not exceed 3,000 persons, having irreparably declined. As a result, the Turkish sultan Süleyman I the Magnificent asked the chased Sephardic Jews of Spain and Portugal to settle there. Until 1922 when Greek refugees from Asia Minor and Thrace settled there, the Jewish community of Thessaloniki consisted the most numerous group of the city. After the revolt against the Ottoman Empire of peasants with Slavic and Albanian origin from Peloponnese in 1821, there was installed a pattern of state in which the hellenization of a non-Greek population was initiated, not only in lingual terms but also in ethnic terms.
Something analogue happened to all Balkan states at later times. In Albania a myth of origin from the Illyrians was set up and in former Yugoslavian republic of Macedonia Slavs of the region claimed that they are descendants of Greek Macedonians, without referring to the fact of intermarriages they had with national groups like Bulgars and Magyars.
In Europe the German historian Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer disputed the “Kingdom of Greece” national propaganda, not to mention that he is neither the first nor the last to consider the inhabitants of that small state non descending from the ancient Greeks. The desultory reaction of the theorists intellectual fathers of that artificial hellenization, e.g. S. Zambelios and C. Paparrigopoulos, would had collapsed with only one phrase of Fallmerayer, who wrote that False-Greeks “are people with Slavic arched eyebrows and tough lineaments of Albanian shepherds”. It did not happen. Mass hellenization of Slavic, Albanian and Vlach place names throughout Greece, during the last half of the 20th century, was only the summit of the iceberg.
Greece is not found inside the museum buildings, where some artifacts concerning the ancient Greek art, and incidentally some pottery of early Slavic settlement or examples of antic pins from Slavic towns in Argolid and Olympia are only exhibited.
In one thing ancient and modern Greece are equal: they are both the land of legends!
The difference lies in the fact that modern False-Greeks have misappropriated the history of real Greeks, coming to the point to monopolize it at will. They are an illiterate people, they will believe whatever you say, especially when their Balkan propaganda has invested in those lies in the internal and the external of the country alike, at any place and at any rate.

Fallmerayer was proved wrong, just google him. He had political motivations, all of Europe was on Greece's side but he knew that the Ottoman Empire will make a good ally of Austria-Hungary. By claiming that Greeks are Slavs, he wanted to say that Greeks are not the descendants of the Ancient Greeks and that there is no reason for Greece to be liberated.

Do you really think that researchers couldn't see Slavic influence on Greeks? Greeks don't look Slavic at all.

Slavic influence is present in Albania and Kosovo though:













Albanians look very Slavic. Look at your own country before spreading lies about Greece.

[Shahqulu]

Turkey is definitely on the top, I would go as far as to say that Turks don't even have a false identity because they lack identity period. Turkey's population is 80% Greco-Semetic leftovers which identify as Turks, with the other 20% being Kurdish.

Says the pseudo-Iranic. The difference between Scythians/Andronovo/Sintashta and modern Iranians is like a difference between Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals LOL.



You are basically a mish mash of browns folks (elamo-dravidians, semites etc) who got fucked in the ass by original Iranic speakers, and then by Arabs in th 7th century. I would call you semito-dravidians who dream about being descended from Scythians LOL


At least Turks always get Turkmens in their oracles, who are Oghuz speakers from Central Asia.

[zarzian]

Irano-semitic you mean

No, in terms of ancestra contributions, the Iranians were never a big factor in Anatolia, unless you count Kurds in the Eastern parts. But the Original Seljuc turks, which assimilated the Anatolians , had Iranian male lines based on their J2 and R1.