| Thumbs Up |
| Received: 15,953 Given: 11,662 |
Not every Han Chinese is a zhaoyun, sadly.Originally Posted by zhaoyun
| Thumbs Up |
| Received: 15,953 Given: 11,662 |
Talking about that. You are right. One must learn languages that are influential. However, society should also be aware not to exclusively focus on that aspect in a technocratic fashion. This wouldn't help people in their learning process. It would be a population learning Mandarin begrudgingly and their hating it, while it shouldn't deserve that resentment. That's a mistake Belgians made about French.
"You have to learn French or you'll end up unemployed", never ever to focus on French culture. People don't exactly end up in love with the language if you keep repeating those words with a hint of fear-mongering to it.
This is what I often heard from older generations back in the '90s and my French teacher was a bitch (Flemish woman). The first likeable French teacher I had was an actual Francophone because at least she genuinely loves the French culture.We are humans, not robots.
Time took an odd turn as English is way more important than French in the Flemish Region and the older generation exaggerated the importance of French. You learn it for cultural reasons more than for practical reasons, that's the current rationale and people enjoy it more like this. If it's needed for a carrier people learn it of course as often is the case, but I feel the arrogance around it is a lot less nowadays.
Last edited by Dandelion; 06-11-2017 at 07:11 PM.
| Thumbs Up |
| Received: 15,953 Given: 11,662 |
My advice for people living in such realities. Be open-minded and respectful toward each other and block out the inevitable assholes that do exist in both communities. In European border regions with linguistic minorities this stability is slowly establishing itself, hopefully everlasting.
As things stand for Italy, for instance, a small minority the Germanophones from South Tyrol still want independence from Italy, but it's a less strong sentiment nowadays than it used to be. Hostilities have diminished a great deal too. More people than ever know Italian there and more Italophones than ever learn German. That helps stabilising and bonding between people. The best rationale for this is: be in love with the land and its history, you'll inevitably conclude Italian and German are part of that.
For Belgium French and Dutch speakers tend to be more respectful for each other too, I like to think. In Antwerp, not so much interaction with Francophones, however and French is a mandatory subject for everyone here through his/her formative years.
Last edited by Dandelion; 06-11-2017 at 07:46 PM.
| Thumbs Up |
| Received: 14,320 Given: 7,523 |
soon, russian will cease being an official language in kazakhstan and will be replaced completely by the Kazakh. right now everything is bilingual. this is what is supposed to happen in the next 2-3 years BUT there is a new law in kazakhstan that is punishing the civil servants if they try to speak kazakh to russian ethnics cose supposedly all kz ethnics know russian but no russian is able to speak kazakh. so..if u're a kz ethnic and u try to speak kazakh to a russian u can get fired...but if the civil servant is a russian ethnic is not required to speak kazakh at all
| Thumbs Up |
| Received: 5,642 Given: 5,915 |
Italy also knows the assimilation of Slovenian minority. AFAIK it was quite aggressive. I wonder how many Italians know Slovenian language if any...As things stand for Italy, for instance, a small minority the Germanophones from South Tyrol still want independence from Italy, but it's a less strong sentiment nowadays than it used to be. Hostilities have diminished a great deal too. More people than ever know Italian there and more Italophones than ever learn German. That helps stabilising and bonding between people. The best rationale for this is: be in love with the land and its history, you'll inevitably conclude Italian and German are part of that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovene_minority_in_Italy
But when Kazakh language becomes the only official language a Russian ethnic not able to speak it won't be able to fully provide service, will he?
Do what you should.
| Thumbs Up |
| Received: 14,320 Given: 7,523 |
yes but this problems is discussed since 2010. i don't care if it happens or not but i think in 10 years u have time to learn a language, no?
| Thumbs Up |
| Received: 3,422 Given: 3,468 |
Russians should leave all that small post-soviet butthurt states and quit helping them. They are ungrateful. When Russians started leaving in mass amounts, Narazbayev asked us to stay because Kazakhs couldn't manage industry of their own country. They want to become independent, so let it be! Amen.
PS: Why when we talk about being independent in that republics, their elites want to get rid of everything Russian? I mean, is that some kind of inferiority complex in national scale? I guess so. I don't have another answer.
| Thumbs Up |
| Received: 14,320 Given: 7,523 |
as long as i know this situation happened in Uzbekistan. Kazakhs have nothing against russians..the majority at least...
| Thumbs Up |
| Received: 15,953 Given: 11,662 |
They should do it if they lived near Slovenia. Historically Mussolini and Hitler also agreed on on having Germanophones migrate to the Reich or have them dispersed throughout the rest of Italy (they probably were supposed to get presented that choice). The Francophones in the Vallée d'Aoste were more aggressively chased out due to France not being a fascist regime in that era. The removal of the Germanic element in Italy never got pulled through due to WWII breaking out. In 1946 the newly formed Italian Republic recognised the autonomy rights of the region, though it was only until the 1990s that the Italian and Austrian governments reached an agreement and Italy got pressured into giving them their rights.
Resentment still exists, but often over silly things like the Italian government not wanting to remove Mussolini's likeness on some monument.German-speakers say it's a provocation from Rome and a monument in honour of a fascist dictator is shameful in our era, Italian-speakers say we shouldn't be PC about our lives nor ignore our history.
Anyway, Slovenian might be a small language, economic importance isn't the only reason one should learn one. I think it's never a wasted effort for listed reason by zhaoyun. Not only economy matters, but culture does too. Fully agree with you there. Some Croatian dialects are very alike to Slovene anyway, so it's not 'that small' of a language.
| Thumbs Up |
| Received: 5,642 Given: 5,915 |
Maybe they still hoped Russia would provide them decent conditions of migration from Kazakhstan to Russia...yes but this problems is discussed since 2010. i don't care if it happens or not but i think in 10 years u have time to learn a language, no?
I remember our member Norka wanted to migrate from there very much (Russia being only a half-way punkt though).
Do what you should.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
Россия
Reply With Quote
Bookmarks