Should Russians learn the Kazakh language?

[Seya]

What realistically could be the reason to prefer migration to Kazakhstan instead of RF?

the reason is that kazakhstan has comparable economy and salaries to russia but in kazakhstan there are more opportunities to grow. they are still a new country and still a lot of things to do in there. there is room for everybody

[Dandelion]

Wiki says the problem of 'non-citizens' not being naturalized is far from only linguistic one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ci...Naturalisation

They have a long road ahead of them, but they have to face reality at one point. I noticed that many Latvians are also 'happy' the younger generations don't understand Russian anymore. They're very afraid of Russification an it's rooted in having heard all their lives their tiny language is nothing compared to the prestigious Russian one. Simple chauvinism and people being ass-holes. Such wounds will last for generations.

[Rumata]

the reason is that kazakhstan has comparable economy and salaries to russia but in kazakhstan there are more opportunities to grow. they are still a new country and still a lot of things to do in there. there is room for everybody

I see, all the 'warm places' in RF a taken, but aren't the Kazakhs clannish enough to diminish those opportunities?

Is that why they're seen as subhumans by the whole Baltic and Eastern/Central European countries?

I don't have illusions about civilisation level here, but you mention countries which were historically dependent on Russia/USSR. Turkey gets the same attitude in Balkans, just worse.

[Seya]

I see, all the 'warm places' in RF a taken, but aren't the Kazakhs clannish enough to diminish those opportunities?

no..not really..only in key positions..like guv ones

[Pennywise]

I don't have illusions about civilisation level here, but you mention countries which were historically dependent on Russia/USSR. Turkey gets the same attitude in Balkans, just even worse.

It is not my thought, I was merely mentioning what they think about Russians. You get the same attitude in Western Europe too. How do you explain that? There is a Russian minority in Turkey too but they're either mid-class people or golddigger low class women married to a wealthy Turkish guy. I don't hear any complaints about them but nobody likes Russians in Europe.

[Dandelion]

Is that why they're seen as subhumans by the whole Baltic and Eastern/Central European countries?

Russians might be very nationalistic and their country has terrible problems with corruption. However, they're still European and their culture was shaped by the Christian religion and European philosophical history. This is why Russians tend to behave more alike to even Western Europeans than Turks do even if the differences are vast and most Westerners would experience a culture shock in Russia and vice versa.

I know I sound condescending toward Turks, and I apologise. I'm just saying, Russia for all its aspects, is still far more alike to us than Turkey. I might be wrong though. Meh, nothing wrong in being different from Europeans of course.

[Pennywise]

Russians might be very nationalistic and their country has terrible problems with corruption. However, they're still European and their culture was shaped by the Christian religion and European philosophical history. This is why Russians tend to behave more alike to even Western Europeans than Turks do even if the differences are vast and most Westerners would experience a culture shock in Russia and vice versa.

I know I sound condescending toward Turks, and I apologise. I'm just saying, Russia for all its aspects, is still far more alike to us than Turkey. I might be wrong though. Meh, nothing wrong in being different from Europeans of course.

I'm really having trouble to believe what you say about Russians. Maybe you had good experince with some of them but overall they are as backward as Turkish minority in Europe. It's not that I'm offended by your words no need to apologize but Russians often make it clear that they don't share the common values of Western Europeans.

[Dandelion]

I'm really having toruble to believe what you say about Russians. Maybe you had good experince with some of them but overall they are as backward as Turkish minority in Europe. It's not that I'm offended by your words no need to apologize but Russians often make it clear that they don't share the common values of Western Europeans.

Many gopniki as Turkey harbours many kiros. It's amazing how countries like that can create highly educated people, yet they manage to.

Hard to say with Russians, but they manage to assimilate easier in our society over generations than Turks do. That's one thing I noticed. Religion is the reason of course. A third or fourth generation Russian is unheard of here... Admittedly the borders with the Soviet Union were closed.

Turks and Euros hardly intermarry too. Religion gets in-between. Even if the Turk is irreligious, they have their family to convince. Especially when the Euro isn't female. Less of an issue with Russians.

[Rumata]

It is not my thought, I was merely mentioning what they think about Russians. You get the same attitude in Western Europe too. How do you explain that? There is a Russian minority in Turkey too but they're either mid-class people or golddigger low class women married to a wealthy Turkish guy. I don't hear any complaints about them but nobody likes Russians in Europe.

I don't say my country is the pinnacle of civilisation, but it's easy to see that even here it's mostly criticized by some Eastern Europeans (and some Turks).
Considering those Russians who are visible in Western Europe, it's often nouveau riche whom I despise with my whole heart myself.

[Dandelion]

Considering those Russians who are visible in Western Europe, it's often nouveau riche whom I despise with my whole heart myself.

Some Russians in Western Europe have the annoying habit of bad-mouthing their country of origin. But then again they'd defend Russia from time to time as well. They have a love-hate relationship with their motherland and when they get to visit Russia they don't exactly fit in anymore. My albeit limited observation.