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    Quote Originally Posted by Mens-Sarda View Post
    Lord of the Rings was written between 1937 and 1949; in many ways reflects the geopolitical situation of the world in that epoch, the rise and fall of Nazism, the WWII, the Arab-Istraeli wars, The Cold War
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    Sounds legit. Russia even has Mordor Mordovia region But what about Gipsies? I wonder if LOTR has them too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mens-Sarda View Post
    Lord of the Rings was written between 1937 and 1949; in many ways reflects the geopolitical situation of the world in that epoch, the rise and fall of Nazism, the WWII, the Arab-Istraeli wars, The Cold War

    Men of the West (Dúnedain, Gondor, Rohan, Dale) = the Western civilization (the good)
    Southrons / Haradrim / Pirates of Umbar (dark skinned people servants of Sauron) = Arabs / North Africans (the ugly)
    Easterlings (the evil men of the East, servants of Sauron) = Russians, the Communist block (the bad)
    The Elves = they look like the mythical Arian people of the Nazis, all perfect and more civilized of the other peoples
    The Dwarves (ugly, secretive, greedy, always searching for gold and jewels) = Jews
    Tolkien hated when people tried to find real world symbolism in his story like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manzikert View Post
    Now you offended by LOTR too?

    Tolkien was a philologist and the fictional universe he has built mainly influenced from Germanic and some other European mythologies. That's all.
    I never said Im OFFENDED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekarotuinen View Post
    I have never played the witcher (and I dont game much in general)? Quick breakdown? Is it set in a European inspired setting? Surely it isnt ridiculous to attempt to promote immersion by basing game lore off of real-worle cultures?
    It's inspired from Slavic and Eastern European mythology (it even has elements of Romanian mythology) so of course you won't find people of color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Tolkien hated when people tried to find real world symbolism in his story like this.
    This guy knows his Tolkien. Pretty understandable from a guy who usues the namee Smeagol. And that's coming from a user called "Grishnack"

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    LOTR was base on the Novels of JRR Tolkien. He penned the World War in his book through his perception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manzikert View Post
    Now you offended by LOTR too?

    Tolkien was a philologist and the fictional universe he has built mainly influenced from Germanic and some other European mythologies. That's all.
    Atleast from Finns mytologia Kalevala. Tolkien used it a lot in Middle Earth's stories (still more in Simarillion, and not so much in LOR). Plus especially now in lately published story: Children of Hurin....which is more a less copy from one story of Kalevala...basically just names and places has been changed.

    Elves language Quenya was developed from Finnish language/grammer. Making words someway shorter, plus adding influences from Latin and Greek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    Atleast from Finns mytologia Kalevala. Tolkien used it a lot in Middle Earth's stories (still mainly most in Simarillion, not so much in LOR). Plus especially lately published story: Children oh Hurin....which is more a less copy from on story of Kalevala...basically just names and places changed.

    Elves language Quenya was developed from Finnish language/grammer. Making words someway shorter, plus adding influences from Latin and Greek.
    I have a Turkish translation of Kalavela but I'm not sure Children Of Hurin is "copypasted" from it. Though, I also read that he influenced from Finnish when he is creating the Elven language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manzikert View Post
    I have a Turkish translation of Kalavela but I'm not sure Children Of Hurin is "copypasted" from it. Though, I also read that he influenced from Finnish when he is creating the Elven language.

    Honestly the original Kalevala is difficult to translate even in Finnish (today's standard Finnish). Not to talking about any foreing language. I doubt you have read the original version (incl. all the stories).

    Copypasted? Not sure what that really means.

    Well how about this one?

    Tolkien:



    And in Kalevala: There is text/chapter name: Kullervon Tarina.
    (tarina FIN = story ENG)
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    I think you are reading into things a little too much. Sure it's interesting to find connections and influences from the real world, but don't get wrapped up in it and let it ruin or distract you from the actual story.
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