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    Default Germany's first 'liberal mosque' to open in Berlin.

    The country's very first "liberal" mosque is set to open its doors on Friday in the capital - and inside a Protestant church.

    The brainchild behind the mosque is feminist, peace activist and lawyer Seyran Ates, who moved to Germany from Turkey at the age of six. It will allow men and women to pray and preach together rather than separately.

    “Fundamentally, the mosque’s door is open for everyone, with one exception: No one will come in with a niqab or burqa,” Ates told Spiegel Online.

    “This is for security reasons, and also it is our belief that full-face veils have nothing to do with religion, but rather are a political statement.”

    Lesbians, gay men, and transgender believers will also be welcome.

    Ates explained that she felt it was “ultimately irresponsible” as a progressive Muslim woman to simply rant about conservative Islamic organizations, rather than to start her own. She also said the Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble had once told her that liberal Muslims should band together, which helped inspire the idea.

    The Ibn Ruschd-Goethe mosque is named for Islamic philosopher Ibn Rushd (Averroes), as well as Germany’s beloved author, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, the Berliner Morgenpost reports.

    Ates is renting space for the mosque inside of the Protestant St. Johannes Church, but she previously told DPA that she hopes she can one day secure the mosque its own building.

    The first day of prayer is set to have Ates preach in German, with translations in Turkish and Arabic.

    Ates further said that she hoped more conservative Muslims would find their way to her mosque.

    “You can only achieve this through setting an example, open doors, in a space where every question can be asked,” she said.

    “Here we do not tell anyone what a good Muslim is, and what a bad one is.”
    https://www.thelocal.de/20170616/a-m...open-in-berlin

    I wonder if the German government set this up, so Muslims would target this, instead of pedestrians in the street. Anyway this is what Islam needs (I think it's called "a reformation"). If Muslims want to prove that they're not a bloodthirsty totalitarian cult masquerading as a religion, here's their chance.

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    Islam has no place in Christian nations. Islam doesn't need anything except it's dissolution. Let me ask you this, Odin. Would you rather wake up to greet a blonde, Christian, traditional European family? Or a black, Muslim, "reformed" liberal family?

    Reformed, unreformed, Islam is all the same.

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    I thought a 'liberal mosque' would be a mosque for liberals, lel.
    Do what you should.

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    Is it really following the Quran if it is that liberal?? Not sure if you can call this Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSmith View Post
    Is it really following the Quran if it is that liberal?? Not sure if you can call this Islam.
    Religion must adapt to the times. This is something to view positively, not negatively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Religion must adapt to the times. This is something to view positively, not negatively.
    Yes but the Quran has some very violent passages that can be viewed by some to do bad things to infidels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Religion must adapt to the times. This is something to view positively, not negatively.
    They just create yet another inter-Islamic conflict and some bearded radicals finally will attempt to blow this mosque up.
    Do what you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Religion must adapt to the times. This is something to view positively, not negatively.
    I don't get people who ask religions to adapt to the curent times. How is it possible?
    A guy beleive in a Omnipotent, Omniscient and Timeless God. Why would he said: "Ho yeah god his against homosexual, but times have change so it's ok now to accept gays."
    What God said isn't true anymore => So god was wrong => So he isn't god.
    The same for location, the power of God stop at the borderline and in the other side, you haven't to make everything to please god?

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    Something tells me the muslims won't like that mosque very much.

    Lesbians, gay men, and transgender believers will also be welcome.
    But pigs still banned?This is an absolute scandal and outrage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
    Islam has no place in Christian nations.
    True.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
    Islam doesn't need anything except it's dissolution.
    But Muslims in Western countries are here to stay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
    Let me ask you this, Odin. Would you rather wake up to greet a blonde, Christian, traditional European family? Or a black, Muslim, "reformed" liberal family?
    Of course the former.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
    Reformed, unreformed, Islam is all the same.
    But Western European countries are not gonna deport Muslims anytime soon, so Islam surely needs a reformation.

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