Which Cultures Can We Call Proto-Turkic?

[AndarKhan]

kid first you need to have some respect here towards me

are you mod to talk like this to me ? no

have I said something that is disrespectful to member Kipchak Hakan ? no

also despite that I disagree with many things he says he is one of the member I like and if he has something against my post he will say it himself

Kid???
You can NOT talk to me like that. You make fun with his views. That is ABSOLUTELY disrespectful. Also, You continue disrespect.

[Hadouken]

Kid???
You can NOT talk to me like that. You make fun with his views. That is ABSOLUTELY disrespectful. Also, You continue disrespect.

ok then I dont call you kid if you dont want no problem but I think you are very young like 16 or so which is a kid to me and right now you behave like one too .

I didnt make fun of him . I was just joking and am a humorous person . however yes I think he tries to turkify anything . he is actually known fot that in the forum but no problem go on . the show must go on

I am probably one of the most respectful people here in the forum as long as a person is respectful to me I am even more respectful to him/her . you just dont know me enough no problem I will back off now just forget what I said

[AndarKhan]

ok then I dont call you kid if you dont want no problem but I think you are very young like 16 or so which is a kid to me and right now you behave like one too .

I didnt make fun of him . I was just joking and am a humorous person . however yes I think he tries to turkify anything . he is actually known fot that in the forum but no problem go on . the show must go on

I am probably one of the most respectful people here in the forum as long as a person is respectful to me I am even more respectful to him/her . you just dont know me enough no problem I will back off now just forget what I said

I am here to do good conversation not for fight. I forgot that and no problem.

[AndarKhan]

Bunp!

[AndarKhan]

The Turks
Vol 1, p 34, Ankara, 2002, ISBN 975-6782-55-2, 975-6782-56-0



List of Proto-Turkic cultures:
-Anav Culture
-Afanasayevo Culture
-Kelteminar Culture
-Andronovo Culture
-Karasuk Culture
-Tagar and Tashtik Culture

[Pahli]

East Scythians were similar to Turks, others were not, maybe slightly due to their nomadic cultures but they were still different genetically and linguistically. On top, proto-Turks were genetically Siberian. Just like Proto-Indo-Iranians were much different to modern day Iranians. Like Witness likes to say: Time to unstick from Iranians

Also the "Scythians were Turkic" theory was debunked ages ago, at least for the Western ones it is certain that they were not Turkic.

[AndarKhan]

East Scythians were similar to Turks, others were not, maybe slightly due to their nomadic cultures but they were still different genetically and linguistically. On top, proto-Turks were genetically Siberian. Just like Proto-Indo-Iranians were much different to modern day Iranians. Like Witness likes to say: Time to unstick from Iranians

Also the "Scythians were Turkic" theory was debunked ages ago, at least for the Western ones it is certain that they were not Turkic.

We are not talking about the Scythians. This is another issue. We are talking about Proto-Turkic cultures.

[Pahli]

We are not talking about the Scythians. This is another issue. We are talking about Proto-Turkic cultures.

You just mentioned them yourself, are you high or what?

[AndarKhan]

You just mentioned them yourself, are you high or what?

No. I think Xiongnus and Scythians are another issue. I am talking about only archaeological cultures which without historical records.

[Pahli]

This is a very controversial issue which i wonder it.

Many Turkish historicians(Prof. Dr. İbrahim Kafesoğlu, Prof. Dr. Ahmet Taşağıl etc.) say Andronovo people were Proto-Turkic. Also Andronovo people were very similiar to Turkic peoples genetically and anthropologically.

This is wrong in so many ways lmfao. Andronovo people were tested and this is how they came out (very non-Turkic):


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 55.73
2 West_Asia 17.68
3 SW_Europe 17.59
4 South_Asia 4.08
5 Siberia 2.47
6 Americas 2.4
7 Oceania 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mordovian 10.44
2 Russian 12.06
3 Belarusian 13.22
4 Ukrainian 13.46
5 Polish 13.99
6 Estonian 16.06
7 Slovak 16.19
8 German_North 16.64
9 Lithuanian 16.76
10 Latvian 16.94
11 Swedish 17.14
12 Norwegian 17.21
13 Moldavian 17.91
14 Slovene 18.04
15 Tatar 18.27
16 Hungarian 19.13
17 Irish 19.81
18 Utahn_European 20.09
19 Scottish 20.11
20 Orcadian 20.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.8% Lithuanian + 26.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.71
2 70.4% Latvian + 29.6% Tadjik @ 4.77
3 70.7% Lithuanian + 29.3% Tadjik @ 4.79
4 73.6% Latvian + 26.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.79
5 74.8% Estonian + 25.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.98

So neither genetically nor physically similar, proto-Turks were Asian and here is a sample to prove it;

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberia 59.36
2 NE_Asia 17.08
3 Americas 9.89
4 NE_Europe 7.88
5 South_Asia 2.22
6 West_Asia 1.9
7 Oceania 1.37
8 South_Africa 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Dolgan 14.89
2 Koryak 17.77
3 Yakut 17.81
4 Tuvinian 18.73
5 Chukchi 21
6 Selkup 21.98
7 Altaian 23.95
8 Mongolian 27.91
9 Eskimo 30.81
10 Oroqen 34.03
11 Nganasan 37.8
12 Afghan_Hazara 43.88
13 Daur 43.91
14 Xibo 53.08
15 Aluet 55.37
16 Chuvash 55.48
17 Nogay 56.92
18 Afghan_Uzbeki 57.17
19 Tatar 57.69
20 Tadjik 63.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.7% Koryak + 42.3% Altaian @ 3.81
2 51.4% Koryak + 48.6% Tuvinian @ 4.35
3 61.5% Koryak + 38.5% Mongolian @ 4.36
4 53% Tuvinian + 47% Chukchi @ 5.03
5 53.6% Chukchi + 46.4% Altaian @ 6.45