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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
    Then don't blame ISIS when they follow the religion as it is.
    They dont though. Islam as it was practiced in the early days through to the collapse of MENA with the destruction of Baghdad is what I want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekarotuinen View Post
    Niqab and Islamic libertarianism are compatible. I do wear niqab on rare occasions, and am certainly a right-libertatian.

    >men not allowed in a mosque
    Lol, how is such discrimination Islamic. The solution to fighting discriminatory male-only mosques is not to just reverse the prejudice.

    Female-led mosques are fine by many standards. I 100% am behind female imams leading mixed congregations, given that there are precautions taken to protect their modesty.
    You realize that is against the Qur'an, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Szegedist View Post
    There is no such thing as a moderate Serb. Every Serb is a supporter of the Chetnik ideology to some degree. Some Serbs like Davai are openly chetniks, while others like rv12aval are cryptochetniks who hide behind Bratsvo I Jedinstvo and other such concepts. Yugoslav partisans believer in the chetnik ideology, but could not display it openly because otherwise they couldn't recruit naive Croats and Bosniaks, which were necessary for victory. We shouldn't make a difference between a Serb and a chetnik, the two are exactly the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer View Post
    You realize that is against the Qur'an, right?
    There is no 100% consensus on the issue, and I believe that so long as her modesty can be assured, it is fine. A man would be preferable, just due to the added conplexity, but Islamic knowledge should come first.

    And no, it is not against the Quran, the arguments for and against women as Imams lie in the Hadith and practice of early Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekarotuinen View Post
    There is no 100% consensus on the issue, and I believe that so long as her modesty can be assured, it is fine. A man would be preferable, just due to the added conplexity, but Islamic knowledge should come first.

    And no, it is not against the Quran, the arguments for and against women as Imams lie in the Hadith and practice of early Muslims.
    In the practice of early Muslims, female imams are literally unheard of. If you have any contrary information, enlight me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Szegedist View Post
    There is no such thing as a moderate Serb. Every Serb is a supporter of the Chetnik ideology to some degree. Some Serbs like Davai are openly chetniks, while others like rv12aval are cryptochetniks who hide behind Bratsvo I Jedinstvo and other such concepts. Yugoslav partisans believer in the chetnik ideology, but could not display it openly because otherwise they couldn't recruit naive Croats and Bosniaks, which were necessary for victory. We shouldn't make a difference between a Serb and a chetnik, the two are exactly the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer View Post
    In the practice of early Muslims, female imams are literally unheard of. If you have any contrary information, enlight me.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_as_imams

    Not even to get into anymore depth, just check the wikipedia article. If you are willing to analyze without using the lense of a certain madhab, you will realize that it is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekarotuinen View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_as_imams

    Not even to get into anymore depth, just check the wikipedia article. If you are willing to analyze without using the lense of a certain madhab, you will realize that it is fine.
    Interestingly, most of these cases happened in majority-Christian countries by fresh converts (which makes it extremely unreliable, like the "liberal" LGBT mosque opened recently in Germany). I can understand women leading prayers with their children or sisters inside their house, but that's as far as I would go. In my country, mixed-gender congregations don't exist anyway, so that question is pointless.
    Quote Originally Posted by Szegedist View Post
    There is no such thing as a moderate Serb. Every Serb is a supporter of the Chetnik ideology to some degree. Some Serbs like Davai are openly chetniks, while others like rv12aval are cryptochetniks who hide behind Bratsvo I Jedinstvo and other such concepts. Yugoslav partisans believer in the chetnik ideology, but could not display it openly because otherwise they couldn't recruit naive Croats and Bosniaks, which were necessary for victory. We shouldn't make a difference between a Serb and a chetnik, the two are exactly the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer View Post
    Interestingly, most of these cases happened in majority-Christian countries by fresh converts (which makes it extremely unreliable, like the "liberal" LGBT mosque opened recently in Germany). I can understand women leading prayers with their children or sisters inside their house, but that's as far as I would go. In my country, mixed-gender congregations don't exist anyway, so that question is pointless.
    No mixed gender congregations? The vast majority of masjids here are mixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekarotuinen View Post
    No mixed gender congregations? The vast majority of masjids here are mixed.
    Which mezheb are American Muslims anyway?
    Quote Originally Posted by Szegedist View Post
    There is no such thing as a moderate Serb. Every Serb is a supporter of the Chetnik ideology to some degree. Some Serbs like Davai are openly chetniks, while others like rv12aval are cryptochetniks who hide behind Bratsvo I Jedinstvo and other such concepts. Yugoslav partisans believer in the chetnik ideology, but could not display it openly because otherwise they couldn't recruit naive Croats and Bosniaks, which were necessary for victory. We shouldn't make a difference between a Serb and a chetnik, the two are exactly the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer View Post
    Which mezheb are American Muslims anyway?
    Idk honestly. People here just tend to identify as Muslim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekarotuinen View Post
    Idk honestly. People here just tend to identify as Muslim.
    Looks like Muslims are indeed divided on many issues. In the entire Balkans, mixed congregations are a huge no-no.
    Quote Originally Posted by Szegedist View Post
    There is no such thing as a moderate Serb. Every Serb is a supporter of the Chetnik ideology to some degree. Some Serbs like Davai are openly chetniks, while others like rv12aval are cryptochetniks who hide behind Bratsvo I Jedinstvo and other such concepts. Yugoslav partisans believer in the chetnik ideology, but could not display it openly because otherwise they couldn't recruit naive Croats and Bosniaks, which were necessary for victory. We shouldn't make a difference between a Serb and a chetnik, the two are exactly the same thing.

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