EU = modern, reformed Holy Roman Empire

[Jana]

Oh no, your family was against the USSR?

You forget Yugoslavia was not part of Eastern Block and broke of from Soviet domaination after Stalin-Tito split.
But my mother had some relatives in Romania (soviet-satelite state) which were so afraid of the regime even when in Yugoslavia and belived Securitate (Romanian secret service) was following them on vacation and tapping their phones.
They said political enemies were transported to Siberia very much like in USSR, only years after communism failed.

[The Destroyer]

Yep, EU is culturally a Western Christian (Catholic and Protestant) union, based on Germano-Romance linguistic domination. This is why I am always amused by Slavs or Orthodox Christians wanting to join EU, they try to join something they were never culturally a part of.

[revealman]

of course the eu is the 4th roman reich

kuciak writes about italian mafia, gets murdered

now we have new prime minister with italian surname PELLEGRINI

what a "coincidence"...

jesuit EU mafia

everything makes sense

more on vatican mafia here:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...y-Roman-Empire

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...well-and-alive

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...axon-4th-reich

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...r-crusades-2-0

[revealman]

Holy Roman Empire did not promote homosexualism, mass immigration, etc
Sorry but the comparison is an insult.

roman empire was known for ist decadence... and homosexuality

read some history.. from calligula over michelangelo to catholic priests.. romans have oldes homosexual culture on earth

[Dragoon]

There is definitely a connection between the EU and
Carolingian Empire and/or Holy Roman Empire

I wont deny Catholic factions are involved. Jesuits, Knights Malta, Opus Dei.

But also many Non Catholics factions are involved too.
Secret Societies (Freemasons, Bilderberg, Le Cercle, etc)
Many political groups (Socialists, Liberals, Conservatives, Progressives, Communists, Greens, etc)
USA (CIA, Neocons, Liberals)

What is interesting is that many of these groups sort of oppose each other, but all want it.

Early versions was primarly Freemasons and Catholics. (they probably had different visions, one was Liberal and other Conservative).
The vision happened before WW2 but Hitler kinda spoiled there plans (which actually sounds good but wasnt really).

Later US elites (Liberal elites) and UK elites were invited and joined in. Eventually Neocons joined in.

What I think happened is that Freemasons and Catholics (those who agreed on minor issues).
The Christian Democrats of today are basically Liberal-Conservatives (a mixture). But religion in Europe has fallen significantly.

[Dragoon]

Elites who supported the PanEuropa/EU...

Freemasons (Kalergi founder of PanEuropa, Winston Churchill, etc)
Monarchs (Habsburgs)
Bankers (Rothschilds, Warburg, etc)
Catholics (founders of EU: Robert Schuman, Alcide de Gasperi, Konrad Adenauer)

[Dragoon]

The European Union is a new superpower. An economic superpower.

The EU has the second largest economy (by purchasing power parity) - ahead of the US (3rd, China 1st) - in the world.

EU is a papertiger. And its economy in many countries is struggling (yes Catholic nations have struggling economy, partly PIIGGS nations.. Greece is Orthodox)

Because there are too many divisions.
The elites disagree with population.
The Russian military alone is stronger than all of EU combined (more nukes, more tanks, more organized, etc).
Even a US military report acknowledged it.

The US has one hand in EU. Making sure to keep Russia out. Making sure so Commies and Nationalists dont get power.

As for the UK. The UK was not supposed to be really in this thing. Before WW2, UK was supposed to have been part of Commonwealth and/or Anglo empire.
Later they were joined in EU. And to this day there is bickering about what to do.



It is a long way from becoming a United Europe or Republic or Federation. (there is chance it will break because of left vs right, Catholics vs Protestant, views on Russia, views on USA, etc).
EU still depends heavily on NATO.
Not a superpower.

[Tauromachos]

It's true. Simple as that.

During the days of the Holy Roman Empire, we had a kind of "European union" on the continent, within roughly the same area as the modern core states of the EU. Of course, Germany was the centre and dominated it, just as Germany is dominating the EU today.

Not entirely true

The classic Roman empire had its seat in Rome"Italy" ,later it split into the Eastern part"Byzantine" and the Western part.
The first germanic"frankish" kings became then influental but Italy had some influence still as well"Pope,Vatican".

Though the general parallel between the Roman empire and the Eu can be drawn and is pretty accurate although i would still extend and
generalize.

Because EU's politics is still pretty much influenced by the US.

And the USA play more the role of Roman Emperors today from any aspect.
Culture,Economics,Geopolitics

The Germans know what their role and destiny is in Europe. They've been doing it for more than a thousand years. Amazing really, if you think of it. Less than a century after the fall of the Third Reich, once again Germany is ruling Europe, and Germans are the most committed Europhiles (because they know this was the only way they could dominate Europe again after the Nazi rule).

Comments?

[Dragoon]

It's true. Simple as that.

During the days of the Holy Roman Empire, we had a kind of "European union" on the continent, within roughly the same area as the modern core states of the EU. Of course, Germany was the centre and dominated it, just as Germany is dominating the EU today.

The Germans know what their role and destiny is in Europe. They've been doing it for more than a thousand years. Amazing really, if you think of it. Less than a century after the fall of the Third Reich, once again Germany is ruling Europe, and Germans are the most committed Europhiles (because they know this was the only way they could dominate Europe again after the Nazi rule).

Comments?

One last thing...

Germany is not so strong. In fact its military has many problems. It still has foreign tens thousand foreign troops on its soil. Its intelligence agencies are weaker compared to CIA, KGB, M16, Mossad.

Germany today is 33/33/33 split between Catholics, Protestants and others.

The biggest partnership in EU is German-French. But still too weak compared to Russia or USA.

Euroskepticism is rising. Both soft and hard types.

Biggest supporters of EU are funnily enough Poland and Germany. (Dont be fooled by the government of Poland, most Poles support EU idea).


EU has expanded its borders too quickly. Which resulted in more resistance against it from both some early and newer members.

[Dragoon]

Then how both could be similar? I dont understand.
While HRE based its power in religion, EU is the opposite.

The Protestants have outsmarted you in this topic, unfortunately.

Similarity does not mean equality.

The basis for EU was the Carolingian Empire. Habsburg family is definetly Catholic are they not? They were key players.

There is an ideological war (behind the scenes, and in public politics) going in the Western world to see who takes the control,
between factions.

Think what happens to some people after tons of Muslims invade your country. Some people wake up. Thats probably why the Church is bringing Muslims.
Get people to wake and respect 2000 Christian culture. Look now Poland, Austria, Hungary, Italy are waking up.
Others will not wake up. Some will accept and like it.

Others bring mass immigration for money gain (bankers, corporations, capitalists, neoliberals)
others bring it to Liberalize those Muslims. (liberals, and such groups).
others simply hate Christians and Europeans and want them replaced.


From chaos comes order. Sometimes for the good, sometimes for the bad. (im sounding like a Freemason now).