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    Vatican 2 made the Church lose its Apostolicity

    Vatican II was a dogmatic binding council,it promulgated 200 Heresies contrary to former councils and papal decrees and encyclicals.
    Upon the close of the council on dec 8 1965 the Catholic church ceased to exist,as all Bishops in the world excommunicated themselves upon accepting this Heresy.only a Pope can lift an excommunication and we don't have a Valid pope by Catholic definition wich states the see of peter is free from blemish of all error,has never failing faith and inviolately and faithfully expounds and teaches the faith given to the Apostles.so the fact popes since 1914 openly taught Heresy means they were not popes.according to infallible decrees no cardinal can take jurisdiction from the pope during a interregnum,so no new bishops can be ordained even if one or two hiding bishops still existed and didnt excommunicate and lose their offices upon accpeting Vatican 2.missing bishop theory simpely doesn't Help Sedevacantists who won't accept their church has no apostolicity or apostolic succession anymore.see vacantis apostalicae sedis and etsi multa and Charitas wich say without a pope there is no church and that Jurisdiction cannot be exercized and is null and void if it is during a papal interregnum.


    Church Fathers used to support the papacy are mistranslated,taken out of context or ignored in overall context

    Church fathers spoke lofty of peter,but they did not believe him to be infallible or to hold universal jurisdiction.They Believed in collegiality.they spoke with the same language for other apostles in their books wich Catholic Apoologists ignore.



    Church Fathers openly taught heresy and even apostacized proving vatican I wrong:

    Pope Marcellinus offered incence to a idol.

    Pope Honorius said Monolethism in his letter to Sergius and council wording anathemizing him say he confirmed others heresies.so he wasnt merely anatahemized for negligence as roman apologists claim.

    Pope John XXII denied any saints had seen the beatific vision,when christ said St.Dumas on the cross would be in heaven ''today''.

    Pope Benedict XV, Inter Sodalicia, March 22, 1918: “For with her suffering and dying Son, Mary endured suffering and almost death. She gave up her Mother’s rights over her Son to procure the salvation of mankind, and to appease the divine justice, she, as much as she could, immolated her Son, so that one can truly affirm that together with Christ she has redeemed the human race

    Pope Pius IV, Council of Trent, Sess. 25, On Invocation, Veneration and Relics of Saints, and on Sacred Images, ex cathedra: “… the saints, who reign with Christ, offer up their prayers to God for men; and that it is good and useful to invoke them suppliantly and, in order to obtain favors from God through His Son JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD, WHO ALONE IS OUR REDEEMER and Savior… This gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors in this See so that they might discharge their exalted office for the salvation of all, and so that the whole flock of Christ might be kept away by them from the poisonous food of error and be nourished with the sustenance of heavenly doctrine.


    see the contradiction?how can a validly elected Pope utter heresy during his papacy if Vatican 1 and papal infallibility is true ?


    pope Pius XI said the same thing his radio message calling mary co-redemptrix contrary to council of trent (Pius XI, Radiomessage to Lourdes, April 28, 1935. Osservatore Romano, April 29, 1935. )

    this should not be possible according to roman catholicism for alleged infallible councils declare:

    This gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors in this See so that they might discharge their exalted office for the salvation of all, and so that the whole flock of Christ might be kept away by them from the poisonous food of error and be nourished with the sustenance of heavenly doctrine.''
    This See of holy Peter remains ever free from all blemish of error

    Pope St.Gregory the Great denied papal supremacy ,he said any person that wishes to be called or calls himself universal bishop is the precursor of the antichrist to the Bishop of constantinople.so we have a pope and saint of the catholic church denying papal supremacy as no such doctrine existed at the time and he was certainly not aware of it,Vatican I however says it was known'' since the beginning by all'' .


    I am going to attend a Coptic parish a few streets away from me and am Leaving the Catholic church,not that I ever belonged to something that doesn't exist anymore(I belonged to Vatican 2 ism).

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    for a refutation of often cited(I myself recentely cited them!)sources to prove papal supremacy go here http://www.christiantruth.com/articl...atholicism.php

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    Isn't it God's own responsibility to protect the church's "Apostolicity"? Or is the church destined to be a failure? Does God give a sh*t at all?
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    Dont betray Bohemond, Baldwin and Godfrey

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    K, but remember that those bearded dudes are now your priests. Don't mistake them for muzzies.

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    https://www.thesedevacantistdelusion.com/q-a Great writer who came to thew conclusion I came to,that if numerous popes were heretical,only the pope can supply jurisdiction,and that all Bishops excommunicated themselves and promulgated heresy as a council proving it not infallible,then the catholic church has lost its 4 marks.no new bishops can ever be ordained without a valid pope.we can't assume post Pius popes are valid for they are heretics and its catholic dogma that a heretic cant be a pope and a pope cant be a heretic(Despite being proven wrong throughout history numerous popes were documented heretics before Vatican II)



    another great book on papal heresy throughout the ages before Vatican II is http://www.23rdstreet.com/pdf/vicars...chapter_12.pdf '' Vicars of Christ
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    a bishop must be Ratified by a pope,if there is no new pope no new bishops can be ordained even if we say there was a few hiding bishops that didnt sign Vatican II .

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    Quote Originally Posted by monfret View Post
    a bishop must be Ratified by a pope,if there is no new pope no new bishops can be ordained even if we say there was a few hiding bishops that didnt sign Vatican II .
    But the Vatican II was ordained by the Pope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    But the Vatican II was ordained by the Pope.
    Sedevacantists say Pope John XXIII was invalidly elected and someone else was elected but death threats kept them from claiming the office.they must come up with this conspiracy theory because to hold otherwise would be to admit a council of the catholic church was not infallible and a valid pope uttered heresy proving papal infallibiloity wrong.but even if this was the case and we give them this,it doesnt make things any better on three accounts:

    1.all bishops excommunicated themselves

    2.even if there was a bishop or 5 in hiding,they can't ordain without a pope ratifying a ordination of a bishop and pope pius in vacantis apostolicae sedis said noone can usurp the pope's Jurisdiction during a interregnum.

    3.numerous popes throughout history were Heretics,even before vatican II.

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    One has to remember that Rome was never the only apostolic seat and that Rome didn't have the role in early Christianity that it has since assumed. Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria shared this position together with Rome, so... The title of Pope was given to all bishops and is simply Greek for father. Orthodox Christians today still use the term for priests and bishops. It's only Roman revisionism to claim that there were Popes, pontiffs, in the sense the Roman Church uses it today.

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