Battle of Manzikert 1071 animated and mapped

[DarkSecret]

Hürriyet is centrally positioned but its journalists obey Erdoğan like puppies.

They just do what Aydın Doğan says. Don't know when they will start bashing Erdoğan.

[Laberia]

The problem is that all Turkish press but Cumhuriyet is under AKP's control: Sabah, Yeni Şafak, Hürriyet, Vatan. It's bad for a democracy

It's called Putinism. The symptoms of this new type of authoritarism you can see in different ex-communist countries including Albania.

[DarkSecret]

It's called Putinism. The symptoms of this new type of authoritarism you can see in different ex-communist countries including Albania.

We have never been communist though.

[Böri]

Stick to thread topic. This isnt about today politics

[Laberia]

We have never been communist though.

I didn't said this. But you have to admit that the heroe of Erdoğan is Putin.
To be honest this kind of system is a Chinese product. But the difference is that in China exists some kind of democracy in the Communist Party. The Russian version is based in one single person. So if you kill the President of China they have other options. But if you kill Putin or Erdoğan, what the fuck will happen later? Both have eleminate every kind of opposition in their countries.

[Böri]

I didn't said this. But you have to admit that the heroe of Erdoğan is Putin.
To be honest this kind of system is a Chinese product. But the difference is that in China exists some kind of democracy in the Communist Party. The Russian version is based in one single person. So if you kill the President of China they have other options. But if you kill Putin or Erdoğan, what the fuck will happen later? Both have eleminate every kind of opposition in their countries.

You cant compare him with Putin. After jet downing issue he apologised to Putin, going to Moscow and even hand shake with red face and all happen as Putin crushes his allies in Syria like taking Aleppo for Assad. Turkey is in turmoil situation still after coup affair and later and country going and coming. There is state of emergency right now, This isnt like dictator right now. But there is greed for projects by many like federations, Mahdi, palaces etc this is other story.
Anyway stick with topic.

[Laberia]

You cant compare him with Putin. After jet downing issue he apologised to Putin, going to Moscow and even hand shake with red face and all happen as Putin crushes his allies in Syria like taking Aleppo for Assad. Turkey is in turmoil situation still after coup affair and later and country going and coming. There is state of emergency right now, This isnt like dictator right now. But there is greed for projects by many like federations, Mahdi, palaces etc this is other story.
Anyway stick with topic.

I didn't said that he is a dictator.
OK, sorry for the off-topic.

[DarkSecret]

I didn't said this. But you have to admit that the heroe of Erdoğan is Putin.
To be honest this kind of system is a Chinese product. But the difference is that in China exists some kind of democracy in the Communist Party. The Russian version is based in one single person. So if you kill the President of China they have other options. But if you kill Putin or Erdoğan, what the fuck will happen later? Both have eleminate every kind of opposition in their countries.

Yeah that's a problem and a mistake for both leaders. We need second leaders to replace them later but who can you trust in these times... Everywhere is full Fetoists for Erdoğan or CIA agents for Putin.

[Böri]

Well, there is also Battle of Dorylaeum (40.000 Crusaders vs. 8.000 Seljuk Turks led by 17 year-old Kilij Arslan). It is amazing that Crusaders suffered more casualties even though the Turks were outnumbered like 5 to 1 and receieved an attack from the rear. Hollywood will not make a movie about it of course, because they love to portray Easterners as endless hordes fighting against a few valiant western knights but the truth was the opposite.

I watch many videos from that channel this one escaped to me Its a nice video. There was also second Battle of Dorylaeum, Sultan Mesut defeated German king army where his grand dad Kılıç Arslan was defeated. Probably after Crusaders took Antioch and didnt give it to Byzantium as promised in 1098 the Greeks hold grudge against Catholics and didnt guide them like in first battle of Dorylaeum. Turks won huge victory.

Battle of Dorylaeum (1147)

Location of Dorylaeum (near Eskişehir)



German Crusaders under the command of Conrad III stop at Dorylaeum to rest because they are low on provisions. Seljuk Turks led by Mesud I are aware of their location and move in, destroying nearly the entire army of 20,000 men. So much treasure is captured that the market price of precious metals throughout the Muslim world drops.

Conrad III is only able to escape with a small force of 2,000 survivors, a group far too small to allow him to continue as a leader in the Second Crusade. He will attempt to join up with Louis VII of France at Nicaea, but ultimately has to return home in humiliation.



In battle, the Turks used their typical tactic of pretending to retreat, and then returning to attack the small force of German cavalry which had separated from the main army to chase them. Conrad began a slow retreat back to Constantinople, and his army was harassed daily by the Turks, who attacked stragglers and defeated the rearguard. Even Conrad was wounded in a skirmish with them. The other division, led by the King's half-brother, Bishop Otto of Freising, had marched south to the Mediterranean coast and was similarly defeated early in 1148. The force led by Otto ran out of food while crossing inhospitable countryside and was ambushed by the Seluq Turks near Laodicea on 16 November 1147.

[Böri]

There wasn't such thing as a 'Teutoburg war'. It was a battle, an ambush to be more precise. The Romans were ambushed not only by Germanic warriors, but they were betrayed from within too. Arminius took the German auxilliaries away, pretending that they were going to scout, and turned them against the Romans and ambushed them, along with the rest of the Germanic warriors.

It was impossible for the Romans to win that battle.

Yeah but Teutoborg battle was decisive and thanks to it, Romans who go even until Iraq never ever incorporated Germania.