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    Nowadays in this forum it is often said IQ is not an accurate and legitimate way of measuring intelligence. Those who think that, why do you thnik so? If it's not measuring intelligence, what is it measuring? And what could measure intelligence if not an IQ test?

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    Just an example, someone can have a high IQ but be a complete loser in life...Forrest Gump had a low IQ but he was a winner in life (yes I know, its a film but its a good example )
    In my opinion is a question of environmental adaptation.

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    Well first of all, IQ tests were made largely to support the Eugenics and the "extinction theory" whites made about blacks, so that already shows you the racist origins of these tests.

    Second of all, you cannot convince me that an Ashkenazi Jew in America who grow up in rich ass Bethesda, Maryland and was born and bread to attend Harvard since the day he was born was given the same even playing field as a black American who was born in Baltimore, Maryland to a very poor family in a very improvised area, where the schools struggle financially to even stay open, and kids are forced to drop out of school because they have to support their family. The rich Ashkenazi Jew will go onto attend Walt Whitman High School where hever ever has to worry about money, takes college classes before he is even in college, and gets all this extra stuff. The Baltimore city kid will go onto a high school that can't even afford to have athletic teams and will have to drop out and financially support his family. Black Americans don't have the luxury to not care about money or to be born to parents who raise them to go to an elite university since day 1, they don't even have the same opportunity regular gentile, upper middle class whites have. They don't have the same networking system and ties to people that Jews and whites do, which largely helps their success (it's not what you know, but who you know).

    Thirdly, black Americans in 1995 had the same average iq that white americans had in 1945. Does that mean whites were low IQ and inferior in 1945? Because if blacks are genetically inferior for their iq, I guess that means whites were even more inferior in 1945 too. Clearly the IQ gap stems from inequality and socioeconomic status, not genetics.

    Another thing, black Africans who come to the United States tend to do a lot better in the academics than native black Americans do, even though if we go off of genetics, black Americans should perform better because they have a higher portion of white blood, but they don't do better than the African immigrants. African immigrants make up a decent portion in some very selective universities and Schools, and they are in fact overrepresented

    In the US, it is not only at elite universities where there is a clear over-representation of black immigrant children, it is also at public gifted schools and any kinds of intellectually gifted programs that are highly selective on intelligence. For example, when the New York Times did a story to show the experiences of blacks at Stuyvesant High School in New York, they had to use the personal account of a West Indian black child there (Ann-Marie Miller); if they had many native blacks, that would have certainly been their preferred subject. Furthermore, the only other student who was interviewed for that article, Opraha Miles, a former president of the black student society at Stuyvesant, also just happened to be Jamaican; no black American student was mentioned in the story. A close look at a number of other such institutions shows even more clear evidence of a tendency for black immigrants to be over-represented as selectivity requirements for an academic institution (or complexity of a subject) goes higher.

    In the world of intellectually gifted schools, perhaps the most selective in the United States is a special program called the Davidson Academy started by Jan and Bob Davison in 2006 in Reno, Nevada. The tiny school boasts of selecting only the most profoundly gifted children (the highest of the five levels of giftedness) whose IQ is so high that “only one in every ten thousand children in America” can qualify to the school in any one cohort; it is more selective than Stanford or Harvard can ever be. The school makes no efforts or pretensions to affirmative action and as such, they have had very little “diversity.” However, a search through the promotional materials of the school for a black student – all schools and colleges will always show some black faces in their promotional materials if they have any – reveals that they have had at least one black student, and it was, unsurprisingly, a Nigerian Igbo name (the parent is interviewed in the ad posted on Youtube).


    At the tertiary level, a special program to promote African American academic pursuit of Science and Engineering called the Meyerhoff Scholars program was started by philanthropists Robert and Jane Meyerhoff at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County (UMBC). The program has attracted funding from a lot of companies by gaining a reputation for achieving something totally unexpected in American society: black students who take a deeply passionate interest in engineering and science majors and even proceed to advanced studies at elite universities. According to a book co-written by the Meyerhoff program’s leader, UMBC president Freeman Hrabowski III, they believe they have succeeded against all odds by having “strong academic advising and personal counseling, emphasis on group study and peer support, appropriate tutoring and mentoring, [and] involvement with faculty in research and access to role models in science.”

    The program has been so successful that educators in other states and universities have been seeking to replicate its success by imitating its key principles and management practices. However, a closer look at the program reveals that their key to success is much simpler than it appears: they simply fill up their program with Caribbean and African blacks! For example, listening to the names of the graduating class of 2008 posted on youtube, this author could identify about half of the blacks in this class who were clearly of African (immigrant) descent.
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    I think IQ tests are pretty good at determining intelligence.

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    I think someone who is good in an IQ Test,is certainly not dumb.
    But i agree to MyApologies that the significance of such Tests is overrated and hyped up...

    Wether he is succesful in life is a another issue and depends on several things environment,psychology,social...

    An IQ Test first of all measures your ability and skill to focus and solve a certain set of problems in a given time frame.
    The total result doesn't depend exclusivly on your intellectual potential,but also on your attention span.
    Basically all these tests feature the same type of problems spatial,numerical,abstract,verbal,logical so i think someone can train/learn
    these things and become better.
    Its for the most about recognising patterns

    I think human creativity and genius can not be measured...

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    Check the people who score the highest results in IQ tests, then check who they are and what they do with their lives.
    Bulk of them end up being teachers of math or physics or so in universities being nothing impressive in the least. Sidis, Tao, Hirata, Ung-Yong, those are the people that you think are the apex of human intellect? "Those who can't do, teach" is true stuff.

    IQ is an index based on mathematical expediency, reason why practising lots of tests leads to a progressive increase in the scores you get as you get more and more familiar with the methodology. It assesses your skills at taking a number of variables and executing them efficiently in a process. Computers can do this even, it doesn't take self-awareness at all.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...obably-useless.


    It says absolutely nothing about brilliance or wisdom however, which are by definition not quantifiable things but rather aspects related to quality. Read René Guénon or something.
    The reason why people in these nerd forums obsess so much over IQ, is the same reason why they obsess over other quantity-based things like charts of genetic admixture, or HDI, or GDP/capita or whatever else. Trying to measure how much better the thing I nuthugg is to the thing you nuthugg. Pitiful really.

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    IDk but dumb celebrities are always white.

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    I will reply to the other posts tomorrow, don't have time and energy for this right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimage View Post
    Nowadays in this forum it is often said IQ is not an accurate and legitimate way of measuring intelligence. Those who think that, why do you thnik so? If it's not measuring intelligence, what is it measuring? And what could measure intelligence if not an IQ test?
    You can't 'measure intelligence' in a comprehensive way, you can only approximate specific areas of human aptitude, it al lends up being arbitrary, same as the scale of pain, made by a man who essentially determined "well, imma make it a 5 layer thing and add some descriptions of different sorts of pain I've experienced". Same with pleasure, or politeness or any sort of non-material realities.

    The naturalistic take on reality that has become prevalent in Western thinking since the XIX Century seems to completely miss the point that matter isn't the basic fiber of reality, and that's how you get half-witted hilarious attempts at pushing empirical frameworks over mental or spiritual layers like intellect or morality. Reminds me of Sam Harris' idea of a morality based on science, really archetypical of STEM geeks trying to grasp stuff beyond their level.

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