Mongol invasion of old Russia 1237-1238

[glass]

If it weren't for the Mongols who sacked and destroyed it, Kiev would have remained the Мать городов русских (Mother of Russian cities).
Today, the Kievan Rus would be the new Russian Federation, stretching from Poland to the Pacific, 10 000 km of steppes under the blue and yellow flag.

Moscovia would have been a second-rank Republic similar to Belarus.

Lolwut? Kiev lost its capital status to north-eastern Vladimir nearly 100 years before mongol invasion.

Do you think Kiev would have led the Russian world without the Mongol invasions? Ukrainian would have been the litterary language instead of Russian with figures like Gogol and Pushkin writing in their native world. Ukraine would have been the true Russia (Ukraine means the "border"). It's just my personal opinion. What would have happened if the Mongols stayed in Mongolia?

Ahaha, we already have retard of 2017

TThe Russians saw the Tatars as their kin, and Tatars, and even at times Mongols, were described as fair and Russian-like, not Asiatic. Cossack and Tatar was also used synonymously. Even Russians were at times called Tatars.

Oh boy, i should now appologise to Meiki

[Sandman]

The fatal consequences of the Mongol invasion can be seen in Russia until today. For more than 700 years the Russian state has been built in Mongolian (Asian) patterns.

[Böri]

The fatal consequences of the Mongol invasion can be seen in Russia until today. For more than 700 years the Russian state has been built in Mongolian (Asian) patterns.

Yeah but we must also not forget that Slavs are a people who appeared very late in history in the civilised sense. There is even no Slavic script until 9th century, LoL even nomadic Turks left their marks in 6th century in Mongolia with runic Orkhon scripts. But then Slavs expanded in surprise and unexpected way.

[Sarmatian]

Yeah but we must also not forget that Slavs are a people who appeared very late in history in the civilised sense. There is even no Slavic script until 9th century, LoL even nomadic Turks left their marks in 6th century in Mongolia with runic Orkhon scripts. But then Slavs expanded in surprise and unexpected way.

Sure them primitive Slavic monkeys suddenly fell off their trees and decided to take largest landmass in the world. And there were them ancient and advanced Turkic people doing their best to resist such evil expansionism. But something went wrong and them primitives managed to succeed.

I wonder why?

[Sarmatian]

The fatal consequences of the Mongol invasion can be seen in Russia until today. For more than 700 years the Russian state has been built in Mongolian (Asian) patterns.

Your ignorance could be seen in literally every sentence you write. Nothing but weak stamps and labels. The patterns of modern state started to emerge in Rus at least 100 years before Mongols even appeared on horizon.

[Böri]

Sure them primitive Slavic monkeys suddenly fell off their trees and decided to take largest landmass in the world. And there were them ancient and advanced Turkic people doing their best to resist such evil expansionism. But something went wrong and them primitives managed to succeed.

I wonder why?

I didnt say apes but it's a fact that Slavs appeared very late in history. It's like you missed almost all the Middle Ages, its maybe why Russians are more enthusiastic for not care about their historical heritage compared to other Europeans, and ready to give up or destroy it. Because after all Russians dont have much historical heritage. With Kievan Rus you have some more history but Let us be honest, Russia is a state which is born truly after Horde's fall and the Kulikovo. Its.... 15th century. Then Russia rose incredible way in last 500 years yeah.

[Pahli]

Sure them primitive Slavic monkeys suddenly fell off their trees and decided to take largest landmass in the world. And there were them ancient and advanced Turkic people doing their best to resist such evil expansionism. But something went wrong and them primitives managed to succeed.

I wonder why?

Lol, given the conditions the Slavic people had in Russia / Ukraine, they actually did a good job taking care of degenerate slavers (Mainly Turkic hordes, Crimean Tatars, Nogais, Central Asian khanates). Now "muh Turkic people" are under Russian rule

[Wars_to_come]

I didnt say apes but it's a fact that Slavs appeared very late in history. It's like you missed almost all the Middle Ages, its maybe why Russians are more enthusiastic for not care about their historical heritage compared to other Europeans, and ready to give up or destroy it. Because after all Russians dont have much historical heritage. With Kievan Rus you have some more history but Let us be honest, Russia is a state which is born truly after Horde's fall and the Kulikovo. Its.... 15th century. Then Russia rose incredible way in last 500 years yeah.

Russia isn't only Slav country and most certainly, history of Russian state isn't only history Slav people have.

Russian state sure, expanded in last 500 years but roots of modern day Russia can be traced back to duchy of Vladimir in 12th century.

[Sandman]

According to UN statistics, Russia is:
1st place in the world in terms of extraction and export of natural gas (35% of world production)
1st place in the world in terms of the amount of resources of natural resources
1st place in the world in terms of resources and export volume of diamonds
2nd place in the world in terms of diamond extraction volume
2nd in the world in terms of documented platinum deposits
1st place in the world in terms of export volume of platinum
1st place in the world in terms of documented silver deposits
2nd place in the world in terms of documented gold deposits
1st place in the world in terms of documented hard coal deposits (23% of world deposits)
1st in the world in terms of forest resources (23% of the world's forest resources
1st place in the world in terms of drinking water resources
1st place in the world in terms of stocks of sturgeon, crabs, pollock in the 200 nautical-mile economic zone
1st place in the world in terms of proven lead, zinc, titanium and niobium deposits
1st place in the world in terms of export volume of nitrogen fertilizers
1st place in the world in terms of peat resources

Socio-economic situation

1st place in the world in terms of growth rate of dollar billions
2nd place in the world in terms of dollar billions (after the US)
67th place in the world in terms of living standards
71 in the world in terms of the level of human potential development
72th in the world in terms of state expenditure per citizen
127th place in the world in terms of health of the population
111 place in the world in terms of life expectancy
134 place in the world in terms of average life expectancy of men

1st place in the world in terms of suicide among the elderly, children and young people
1st place in the world in terms of divorce and the number of unmarried children
1 place in the world in terms of the number of abortions and the number of abandoned children's parents
1st place in the world in terms of the size of population decline in absolute figures
1st place in the world in terms of volume of consumption of spirits and alcoholic products
1st place in the world in terms of sales volume of hard alcohol
1st place in the world in terms of sales volume of tobacco products
1st place in the world in terms of the number of deaths due to alcoholism and nicotine
1st place in the world in terms of collapse of cardiovascular disease
1st place in the world in terms of sales volume of counterfeit medicines
1st place in the world in terms of heroin consumption (21% of world production)
1st place in terms of the number of aircraft catastrophes
159 place in terms of level of political rights and freedoms.

There are also other many negative phenomena such as, the media reported that in Russia, 935,000 unborn children were killed in Russia in 2012. According to UN and WHO data, in 140 million people in Russia, the number of people infected with HIV is about 1.2 million. In 2006-2012 this number almost doubled.
Also the family is in Russia very badly. This country has one of the highest rates of divorce in the world. At least half of the marriages break. In 2011, the Russian authorities estimated that the number of drug addicts ranged between 2.5 and 6 million and that over 100,000 people die each year from drug addiction. Other negative and common phenomena may be added to this list: prostitution, alcoholism, the phenomenon of "street children". Although the authorities are increasingly aware of the horror that the entire nation derives from abortion, drug addiction.

[Sarmatian]

I didnt say apes but it's a fact that Slavs appeared very late in history. It's like you missed almost all the Middle Ages, its maybe why Russians are more enthusiastic for not care about their historical heritage compared to other Europeans, and ready to give up or destroy it. Because after all Russians dont have much historical heritage. With Kievan Rus you have some more history but Let us be honest, Russia is a state which is born truly after Horde's fall and the Kulikovo. Its.... 15th century. Then Russia rose incredible way in last 500 years yeah.

You contradicting yourself. But given your ignorance it's expected.

When you talking about Turkic people you appealing to earliest linguistic evidence of their culture. When it's about Slavs you talking about state formation in its modernist shape. Those are two very different and totally incomparable categories. It's cheap manipulation that might work on some people as ignorant as yourself. Snap it, you might even sincerely believing it. Sure ignorance is blessing, allows you to feel great and significant with no basis behind such claim.